I just saw a picture of the more refined concept and it's damn sexy.


Click here for live footage @10:30AM (http://gmtv.feedroom.com/?fr_story=FEEDROOM128215)

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING! :confused:

its tomorow says monday 10am

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING! :confused:


OH, GOOD!! i thought it was just me. :crazy:

OPPSSSSSSSS :bolt:
Sorry!

servers may be busy...keep trying http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=25113 or http://www.gminsidenews.com has it also if you look an article or so down

That was my screw up.. I thought it was today and when I realised that I made a mistake, I tried to change the topic, but VBB wouldn't let me.. oops..

servers may get busy again but here is the advance "video" of the Camaro, not actually the unveiling of the car itself... Now if only Pontiac could get a Firebird. http://mirror.gminsidenews.com/camaro.wmv

Firebird was called DOA a long time ago... the GTO and the Camaro will do great together....the firebird isn't worth the effort. I am still in the air...at angles I hate it... at other angles I like it. I am still leaning GTO at the moment (this coming from a life long Camaro owner/fan). I still miss my 4th gen. :(

The Camaro is the less attractive of the two vehicles, and always has been.

The Firebird/Trans Am would have done so much for Pontiac. Ditch the GTO or restyle it; I don't want a Monero. I want a new Trans Am, and I know GM said the Firebird was dead.

Just goes to show how stupid they are with marketing. They let the F-bodies slip into an early grave by their obvious nonchalant attitude, considering just about every part from 93-02 was interchangable.

If you ask me, Pontiac needs more performers. What they have now, "Driving Excitement" is a joke. They don't want GTO competition? Good. Drop it and put the Bird back where it should've stayed.

The GTO is going to be restyled and will most likely be a platform mate with the Camaro. GTO is the halo car for Pontiac. They do have some exciting cars right now too, G6 GTP, Grand Prix GXP, GTO, Solstice (GXP coming soon). IMO these are all great excitment division cars that will only be improving in the years to come.

Gotta go, the unveiling is starting now..

I think they could have done better with the "show" part of the unveiling.

It's a beautiful car, and the exhaust note that was coming from it when Bob Lutz was revving the engine was intoxicating.

Obviously there are things on the concept that can be improved.

The front end is really nice and screams Camaro, but the rear end is a little too much Corvette and not enough Camaro.

The interior is way too retro for my preference, but I think it can grow on me. The Mustang IMO had a very retro interior, but I really liked it once I got to drive one. I'm sure that the Camaro will have the same effect with me.

The wheels are very nice and seem to flow well with the car.

The exhaust tips are a little weird, they should either be round or square, not round with a flat top.

This car will turn more heads than the Challenger in my opinion.

Waaaay beter than the challenger, but the front end needs some work.

actually the firebird sold less than the camaro...and if you take away the V6 cars (which has been what enthusiest wanted for a long time) the GTO has sold MORE than firebird v8 models. The GTO recieved negative press but is a car the firebird simply can not touch. Refinement, handling, build quality, etc... Camaro owners that have driven the GTO either LOVE them or have bought them. (we have MANY fbody / GTO owners now) one thing that comes up a lot on the boards is 'if the next camaro was like the GTO....' looks like someone was listening... IRS, same chasis, etc. Its the shot in the arm the camaro needs and hopefully they can leave the V6 options off the checklist. (i know we cant get that lucky...)

TLS2000 - The camaro will be sharing the GTO platform as you said..and I agree with your points above..especially the rear end.

As far as the tips..this is interesting.. a lot of people didn't like the 'pizza cutters' on the 4th gen..but the exhaust note was unique. In fact I know a guy with an old school charger sporting those tips. The car sounds like nothing ive ever heard before. :) I wonder if the tips were the reason behind that incredible exhaust note. :)

SBER99, that is an interesting thought. I think those tips could grow on me, but I really think the back end needs more Camaro in it and less Corvette. Either some rectangular taillights, or a taller bumper would do it, I think.

I can't wait to see what the GTO looks like.

Well, as I have stated before on another thread, I am and have been a Pontiac fan for a long time owning more than any other brand. However, I wasn't impressed as much as I thought with the "new" Camaro, I think the Mustang has it beat in looks, although I know nothing of the ride or anything other than the looks of the Mustang. The current GTO doesn't do anything for me either, maybe the next gen will. :confused: As it stands now, IF I was to leave Pontiac for a "pony" car and IF Dodge manufacturers the Challenger as it appears in concept. and IF the next GTO isn't a big improvement, I would have to say Challenger.

I checked out the camero today. It was ok, but I think the front does need a little more work. As for the GTO, I can only hope the next one looks better than this past one. I do believe it would be a good idea to bring the Firebird/Trans Am back, but only if it was like the one Subtl_Cynicism is showing. I had a 4th generation Z28 and LOVED it. Got it when I was 16. Totaled it at about 18, just wasn't the same after they fixed it. I will say though, it probably saved my life being so tough. That's when cars could really take a hit. Would love to have it back!!

I have seen 4th gens rolled at 150+ mph and the drivers walked away with scratches. Of course a hit in the doors and you are dead. LOL

No shit, I always felt nervous in my Firebird with those doors; felt like paper.

I realy dont like the look of the new camaro, I feel the charger and the mustang look much better because they actually resemble their old counterparts much more closely. The whole idea is to have the late 60's early 70's musclecar look with todays technology behind it. The camaro looks like somthing out of a cheap sci-fi movie. GM hasnt got 1 retro looking design right yet, especially that HHR thing!...whats up with that? But thats just my opinion. The G6 is about the only good looking car they designed in quite a while which is probably why GM is in trouble.

GM said the car is NOT retro. They weren't going for retro. They were trying to show a Camaro that evolved from the first gen. They didn't want a clone like the Mustang/Challenger.

The HHR is selling, even if you don't like it.

As for the G6 being the only nice car that GM has designed in a while:

Corvette
CTS
XLR
DTS
Solstice
GMT-900 trucks

GM is in trouble because of their union contracts, and the fact that they compete with themselves in a lot of different ways. They are in trouble because Toyota and Honda have an image of quality vehicles with innovative design. Why did they need a Sunfire and Cavalier? There was no reason for it, other than to keep Pontiac dealers happy. I honestly can say that the fit and finish on my G6 is just as good as my friend's Accord. People think that they are getting a great car when they buy a Nissan! Nissan is rated as a lower quality manufacturer than GM, yet their cars somehow manage to have a higher resale value, simply because they are Japanese.

And going back to how you say the Charger was done right, it is a 4-door sedan! I don't remember any Charger's having more than 2 doors. Do you?

Yes there is a new concept for the charger that is 2 door..and I must admit looks nice (I hate dodge... so that is saying a lot). As for the Camaro concept not being retro... It couldn't get anymore retro.. in fact if you put it up against the original mustang concept it practically looks like a rip off. :(

Whooops sorry....I meant the new Challenger concept. i really dont like the Charger either. I do like my G6 aside from the annoying pano roof rattle even though i've bought nothing but Hondas since 1990.

I'll agree on the Solstice and Corvette looking good also, but no Cadillacs..sorry.

I wish GM did try a Camaro with the retro look like the Mustang and Challenger, it would have been nice too have the big 3 in an old fashioned musclecar rivalry again for those of us who were too young to enjoy it first time round.

S8ER99,

There is a difference between being 'retro', and having 'styling cues' from past cars. The Camaro concept has styling cues from the first gen Camaro, but it is NOT a copy of the first gen. It has very modern design cues, with a lot of them based off of the C6 Corvette (esp. the rear).

The Mustang is a copy of the first gen Mustang, with small changes here or there. The Challenger looks a lot like the Challenger it copied. Camaro is recognizable as Camaro, but it is not a first gen Camaro.

Mikeybc,

I guess it's a matter of taste. I love the new Cadillacs, and obviously their customers do as well, since Cadillac is having record sales.

GM has styling, but they don't know how to connect with their customers. ALL of their cars are designed based on design studies, rather than what the designers feel the car needs. Look at the G6 coupe, it has no memory seating for when you move the seat forward to let passengers into/out of the back seat. This is inexcusable! My fiancee's 1989 Hyundai Excel has memory seating. We're talking 17 years later here, and to save a couple of bucks on a car that was overpriced to begin with, they skimped out on the memory seating.

GM has nice design, they just don't execute their vehicles well enough for people to LOVE them.

I love the new Cadi designs..I would take a CTS-V over the Camaro... which is sad :(

x2^

I think the Challenger looks GREAT!! It may just me, but I think that's what a lot of the consumers are wanting these days, older model looks brought back. Have you ever priced a good looking '67 Camero, yeah right, can't afford that!! The Charger would be better if it was a 2 door, other than that, I like it to. I've never owned a Dodge, but I may soon if my husband has his way. Of course, he wants a different vehicle everyday. :D

Oh cmon..if you can bring yourself to pay 30+ K for the Hemi model charger/challenger (its expensive people!) then you can part with 20 something for a nice 67~69 Camaro (btw ..you mispelled it but i will let you live for now :D ) Do not be fooled by Barret Jackson... a nice 60s Camaro is not 100K in the real world. LOL

I live in a small town, '67 Camaro's (got it right this time and to think I had an '87 Z28 :D ) are not easy to come by around here, or cheap. :)

I have a friend who picked up a nicely restored 69 Z28 for 10K. :) Its yellow with black stripes....I think I have a picture ...

I don't care what the rest of you are saying, the camaro concept makes me happy in my lower regions... I love it!

I like how the new concept ditched the original concept camaro's "smile" (trapezodial front end seen since mid 1990s honduh akkords. <intentionally spelled wrong

crap... it still "smiles" ugh... :(

anyone have pictures?? don't have time to watch the whole, almost 20 minutes vid. as for teh GTO that GOD they are restyling it to look more liek the older GTO's...i personally do not liekthem. i like things old school. i tink the challenger is the most realistic car they have made. the mustang...meh...the eleanor version although is nice! the one they have ( not sure if it is the same ) but the one they show here http://www.autoreviewsonline.com/img/camarofront.jpg
the ONLY place i find that is close to the 1 gen is the little part of teh back fender and the tiny corner piece. that is it. the rest just ugly. im sure old school 1 gen. camaro grease monkeys will agree with me.

Looks like the damn mustang with a chevy symbol.

^^^ exactly. i jsut found out this video is almost a year old...so we basically already knew about this concept.

No shit, I always felt nervous in my Firebird with those doors; felt like paper.
Actually the Fbody doors are rather strong. Just because it's a composite skin means nothing, the integity is the frame structure inside.

You guys rock on the old camaro news. :)