just found out today. MMS is developing G6 turbo kit. it's not universal, not custom.
it's a kit for g6 with 3500 3900 or 3.6
now i feel sorry for 2.4 guys, i always thought 2.4 would be the first successful g6 engine running a turbo
anyway, check em out guys. i think it's the near future when a g6 goes with a turbo without major modifications.

out of curiosity...where did you hear this from? link?

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/
MMS, it's where those 3.6 guys get their headers from.

nice!! to bad I dont live anywhere near there or i'd drop my 6 off as a guinea pig.

anyone in Ohio?

SHIT! that makes me mad...maybe ill have to trade in my G6 and get a coupe...lol

nice!! to bad I dont live anywhere near there or i'd drop my 6 off as a guinea pig.

anyone in Ohio?

yeah...if i were near, i shouldve drop mine too...

Is it only for the coupes?

i think coupes and sedans are basically the same thing... except the body styles

Is it only for the coupes?

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That's what I figured. I just got thrown off by Klixslides post lol!

I'm not far from Ohio, emailed the shop about potentially letting them use my car as a test car. :P


Will let you know when I get a reply, and if they are willing.

^ what engine do you have?

I'm not far from Ohio, emailed the shop about potentially letting them use my car as a test car. :P


Will let you know when I get a reply, and if they are willing.

you lucky bastard!:D

Im only 300 miles/ 5 hours away!!:D

"now that sounds like a fun project. what's a good number i can reach you at, and I can call and discuss some of the details.

Mike Miller
Milzy Motorsports"


I have the 3.5.

ya, lucky bastard

and after the 3.6 headers ordeal i doubt anyone in the right mind would do bussiness with them again.........it took 1 1/2 YEARS or more for them to make all the 5-7 sets of headers and get them mailed out and was supposed to take like 3 months start to finish..........all the while ppl had like $900 into something with nothing to show for it for a year and a half.......

and after the 3.6 headers ordeal i doubt anyone in the right mind would do bussiness with them again.........it took 1 1/2 YEARS or more for them to make all the 5-7 sets of headers and get them mailed out and was supposed to take like 3 months start to finish..........all the while ppl had like $900 into something with nothing to show for it for a year and a half.......


Can anyone else verify this? I was going to drop my car off there and let them keep it for 1-2 weeks..

i dunno about 1.5 years...but it was over 6 months for sure. its over at g6p

it was over 6 months for the FIRST set to be finished, the last person to get their set they ordered at the begining got his like barely a month ago........

Can anyone else verify this? I was going to drop my car off there and let them keep it for 1-2 weeks..

Yup its true, cant imagine how many years it would take for a turbo kit 5-10 years? Besides whoever posted this was one day short of april fools LOL No company in their right mind is going to make a turbo kit for a G6, no one will buy it! Lots of talk but when it comes down to it when the $4000+ bill comes everyone will run, if they had an extra 4K to spend on parts they probably wouldnt be starting with a G6 anyhow.

Yup its true, cant imagine how many years it would take for a turbo kit 5-10 years? Besides whoever posted this was one day short of april fools LOL No company in their right mind is going to make a turbo kit for a G6, no one will buy it! Lots of talk but when it comes down to it when the $4000+ bill comes everyone will run, if they had an extra 4K to spend on parts they probably wouldnt be starting with a G6 anyhow.

Ah, Mike sounded so legit on the phone.. Oh well, I guess it was too good to be true. Thanks for the advice, everyone.

Ah, Mike sounded so legit on the phone.. Oh well, I guess it was too good to be true. Thanks for the advice, everyone.

im sure he is "legit" any company will do anything for money.

if someone was dumb enough to shell out retarded cash for a turbo on a g6...im sure he would do it...but there are a lot of things that will get in the way....THEN on top of that the companys reputation and our past ( g6 community ) experience with them....

plus half the people online are full of shit. there are usually group buys where half the people who say yes are unemployed and step out when it comes time to pay. EVERYONE is interested....near no one will want to actually do it

im sure he is "legit" any company will do anything for money.

if someone was dumb enough to shell out retarded cash for a turbo on a g6...im sure he would do it...but there are a lot of things that will get in the way....THEN on top of that the companys reputation and our past ( g6 community ) experience with them....

plus half the people online are full of shit. there are usually group buys where half the people who say yes are unemployed and step out when it comes time to pay. EVERYONE is interested....near no one will want to actually do it

I just got off the phone with Mike from MMS, the 3.6 Header incident was explained to me, along with the reasoning behind the potentially bad rep of the garage on G6Performance forums.

The kit contains dual Precision Garrett turbo chargers, he's calling me back with numbers on the twin turbo kit, transmission mods, and a post dyno+tune after the mods are finished.. I was told to expect ~ 300hp at the wheels, with my current mods and the addition of what they'd be doing.

I was quoted 6-8 weeks for the aforementioned modifications(if I keep my car there for the entire time period.)

I'm really considering this, as this is my first non turbocharged car, and I greatly miss my turbos.

Is this an idiotic decision on my behalf? I'm skeptical to leave my car for 8 weeks, and after what you all have told me - I'm SO up in the air about this. I really want to go through with it, but I have a horrible feeling.

IMO the 3.6 is about the only engine in the G6s worth turboing the 3.5lz4 and 3.9 lz9 have far too many problems as is stock you will surely blow headgaskets on a 3.5 or 3.9 since they already tend to blow just stock........the 3.6 has already been sucessfully twin turboed in australia makeing around 400whp reliably but in RWD cars..... the only other engine that seems to have a good shot at being succesful is the 2.4 since one guy has allready "sucessfully" turboed a 2.4 G6..... he had got it all fabbed up and working just not 100% and was working on geting it tuned correctly and the tuner made the tune too aggresive too soon and blew the headgasket........

if you are going to turbo something i would have the 3.6 or 2.4 and learn how to do it yourself......installing a turbo isnt all that difficult so long as you have someone that can fab parts to fit, its the tuning that makes it near impossible to get it working 100%

i plan on turboing a 3.6 on of these days but i gotta get another car to replace my GT that got totalled by a snowplow first so i can take my brand new 09 GXP back home to stay so i dont have to put so many miles on it for work.

its been discussed and with intake headers exhaust tune cams injectors and turbos it should be fairly easy to see 450hp on a 3.6........just gotta figure out how to make the transmission handle it tho.......

so no i would not take your car to milzy to have them turbo it LOL if you want to turbo a G6 get a 3.6 first...

i know most people dont know why people would want to spend that much on this car when they could trade in for something faster but i dont like the looks of anything else as much as my GXP coupe LOL

why are ppl keep talking about headgasket?
if you plan to turbo ur car. u always need to get a high performance headgasket no matter what.
btw, it's the 3500 lx9 they are doing not the 3.5 lz4.
yep, tuning is a pain in the ass. but chris is good enough, isn't he?

why are ppl keep talking about headgasket?
if you plan to turbo ur car. u always need to get a high performance headgasket no matter what.
btw, it's the 3500 lx9 they are doing not the 3.5 lz4.
yep, tuning is a pain in the ass. but chris is good enough, isn't he?

and good luck FINDING aftermarket gaskets for the 3.5 and 3.9

and where exactly does it say its the LX9 and not the LZ4? it doesnt say which on milzys website.....3500 does NOT nessisarily mean LX9 the 3.5 LZ4 is the 3500 as well same reason 3.9LZ9 is the 3900 thats just the designation GM gave to their cam in block V6s the 3.6 is dual OVERHEAD cam hence it is just the 3.6 and not 3600

i just spent 10 minutes google-ing and found an aftermarket set for the 3.9 engine. if u can't find one and have one blown up, just spend 40 bucks get an OEM one.

and 3500 always refers to lx9. look under the hood of lx9 it says 3500v6 and for lz4 it is 3.5vvt. (same reason for no body calling the 3.6 ly7 a 3600.) this is the way people differ those two same-sized engine without saying lx9 or lz4 codes. in general ppl may sometimes call them 3.5 engines for short. but believe me, no one calls a lz4 a 3500.

i have no expertise in cars but apparently the trannys in the g6 are shit and will have major issues / blow with too much power....

and that " too much " isnt far from stock

i just spent 10 minutes google-ing and found an aftermarket set for the 3.9 engine. if u can't find one and have one blown up, just spend 40 bucks get an OEM one.

and 3500 always refers to lx9. look under the hood of lx9 it says 3500v6 and for lz4 it is 3.5vvt. (same reason for no body calling the 3.6 ly7 a 3600.) this is the way people differ those two same-sized engine without saying lx9 or lz4 codes. in general ppl may sometimes call them 3.5 engines for short. but believe me, no one calls a lz4 a 3500.

2007 LZ4 and LZ9 engine cover say 3500 and 3900 on them the 3.6 LY7 is not called a 3600 because it is not a single cam in block engine like the others it is a DOHC engine and this is why its never refered to as a 3600

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ur not getting my point man.
no one calls the lz4 a 3500. that's the point.

ur not getting my point man.
no one calls the lz4 a 3500. that's the point.

then why is it milzy is calling the 3.9lz9 the 3900 if they wouldnt call the 3.5lz4 the 3500?

wbzhnn- Did they mention a final price or any warranty. I dont see why you would even get charged for letting them use your 6 as a test vehicle. If that car is your only bread & butter, I wouldnt. If you have the means to let it go for 2 months then why not take a chance only if every aspect on there part works for you.

ur not getting my point man.
no one calls the lz4 a 3500. that's the point.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Tshooter/07203_5L20V620LZ420G620LoR3.jpg


Looks like GM does based on the engine cover :)

IMO the 3.6 is about the only engine in the G6s worth turboing the 3.5lz4 and 3.9 lz9 have far too many problems as is stock you will surely blow headgaskets on a 3.5 or 3.9 since they already tend to blow just stock........the 3.6 has already been sucessfully twin turboed in australia makeing around 400whp reliably but in RWD cars..... the only other engine that seems to have a good shot at being succesful is the 2.4 since one guy has allready "sucessfully" turboed a 2.4 G6..... he had got it all fabbed up and working just not 100% and was working on geting it tuned correctly and the tuner made the tune too aggresive too soon and blew the headgasket........

if you are going to turbo something i would have the 3.6 or 2.4 and learn how to do it yourself......installing a turbo isnt all that difficult so long as you have someone that can fab parts to fit, its the tuning that makes it near impossible to get it working 100%

i plan on turboing a 3.6 on of these days but i gotta get another car to replace my GT that got totalled by a snowplow first so i can take my brand new 09 GXP back home to stay so i dont have to put so many miles on it for work.

its been discussed and with intake headers exhaust tune cams injectors and turbos it should be fairly easy to see 450hp on a 3.6........just gotta figure out how to make the transmission handle it tho.......

so no i would not take your car to milzy to have them turbo it LOL if you want to turbo a G6 get a 3.6 first...

i know most people dont know why people would want to spend that much on this car when they could trade in for something faster but i dont like the looks of anything else as much as my GXP coupe LOL


I have a turbo B5 passat pushing near 320 to the wheels[for sale].. G6 is my daily driver, just thought it'd be fun to have it turbocharged, you know?

I have already told Mike that I am no longer interested - he blamed a member from G6performance for the shops horrible reputation.

I have a turbo B5 passat pushing near 320 to the wheels[for sale].. G6 is my daily driver, just thought it'd be fun to have it turbocharged, you know?

I have already told Mike that I am no longer interested - he blamed a member from G6performance for the shops horrible reputation.

I can understand wanting to have a turboed 6 BUT i wouldnt do it to one that doesnt have that great of an engine to start out with in the first place......

what is a great engine anyways??

as far as i know, there's 13 seconds grand ams out there.
they are either running 3400 or 3800s. but they are not even as good as 3500 when stock. because lx9 is the best non-vvt 60-degree V6 engine.
oh wait, there's a 3.5vvt one better than that!!.... okay, there's a 3.9 even better!........ hold on, 3.6 is the BEST!!!!

so what? if a "great" engine all you want, why don't you trade for a g8 or gto. even a 2000-dollar used civic with some bolt-ons could eat your gxp easily.

maybe there's something you don't understand here. we love our rides. there's more than numbers behind a car. all we want about modding is we want our ride to be different than any others. when i purchase my car, there's no gtp or gxp out there. even now there is, i don't wanna trade for another g6 with so called "better" engine.

why dont you stop being all judgemental? if you don't want ur cars to be unique, why did you mod them in the first place?

what is a great engine anyways??

as far as i know, there's 13 seconds grand ams out there.
they are either running 3400 or 3800s. but they are not even as good as 3500 when stock. because lx9 is the best non-vvt 60-degree V6 engine.
oh wait, there's a 3.5vvt one better than that!!.... okay, there's a 3.9 even better!........ hold on, 3.6 is the BEST!!!!

so what? if a "great" engine all you want, why don't you trade for a g8 or gto. even a 2000-dollar used civic with some bolt-ons could eat your gxp easily.

maybe there's something you don't understand here. we love our rides. there's more than numbers behind a car. all we want about modding is we want our ride to be different than any others. when i purchase my car, there's no gtp or gxp out there. even now there is, i don't wanna trade for another g6 with so called "better" engine.

why dont you stop being all judgemental? if you don't want ur cars to be unique, why did you mod them in the first place?

:bow2: :bish:

obviously you dont understand that im not talking about numbers, im talking about QUALITY of the engine, even the 2.4 is better than the 3.5 and 3.9 for quality if you are gonna spend 5-8k turboing something its worth it to start out with a quality engine than spend most of your time fixing shit when it breaks just as a building is only as good as its foundation......... and besides N/A is ALWAYS more reliable than any turbo setup out there if your 6 is your DD you are going to run into way too many problems down the road with a turbo setup especially when you already start with an unreliable engine in the first place..... and FYI my GXP easilly beats charger r/ts and currently runs dead even with a stock G8GT whatever do what you wish but when you blow up your engines b/c you dont have a quality engine to start with and have to pay 6-8k to have the engine replaced with a STOCK one then you come tell me its still worth it

i HAD a 2008 GT with the 3.5 i know first hand how bad of an engine it is, i was SO SICK AND TIRED of the constant problems with my 3.5 i bought a 3.6 and 6spd trans and all the related parts to swap into my GT......then 2 weeks later some stupid state snowplow totalled her........

and i am serious the 3.6 really the best V6 Gm uses today...Quality wise and for the most part power wise as well

i am DONE trying to get it thru your peoples thick heads that the 2.4 and 3.6 are the best candidate for being SUCESSFULLY modified for forced induction considering the countless problems the 3.9 and 3.5 have just in stock form alone but i guess it will take one of you blowing up your engine for you all to realise that

i guess if you all want to build your towers on sand rather than rock you will all see your dreams come crashing down lol

what is a great engine anyways??

as far as i know, there's 13 seconds grand ams out there.
they are either running 3400 or 3800s. but they are not even as good as 3500 when stock. because lx9 is the best non-vvt 60-degree V6 engine.
oh wait, there's a 3.5vvt one better than that!!.... okay, there's a 3.9 even better!........ hold on, 3.6 is the BEST!!!!

so what? if a "great" engine all you want, why don't you trade for a g8 or gto. even a 2000-dollar used civic with some bolt-ons could eat your gxp easily.

maybe there's something you don't understand here. we love our rides. there's more than numbers behind a car. all we want about modding is we want our ride to be different than any others. when i purchase my car, there's no gtp or gxp out there. even now there is, i don't wanna trade for another g6 with so called "better" engine.

why dont you stop being all judgemental? if you don't want ur cars to be unique, why did you mod them in the first place?

Even if any one does make a complete Turbo kit for the G6, the $ to HP ratio would be kinda hard to justify unless you just want to do something unique. I my self map out a whole plan to get a supercharger on my LX9 G6 (as it seems to be a cheaper route), the only problem is that I have to do a lot of modding to get it ready for it as no off the shelf tuning program interfaces with the stock PCM and the car is still my DD.

What it boils down to is that GM never meant for the G6 to compete with any of the high end V6 (Solstice, CTS) or V8 (G8, Camaro). Thats why there was never an AWD or Turbo/Supercharged G6 and also why it has a lesser build quality.

obviously you dont understand that im not talking about numbers, im talking about QUALITY of the engine, even the 2.4 is better than the 3.5 and 3.9 for quality if you are gonna spend 5-8k turboing something its worth it to start out with a quality engine than spend most of your time fixing shit when it breaks just as a building is only as good as its foundation......... and besides N/A is ALWAYS more reliable than any turbo setup out there if your 6 is your DD you are going to run into way too many problems down the road with a turbo setup especially when you already start with an unreliable engine in the first place..... and FYI my GXP easilly beats charger r/ts and currently runs dead even with a stock G8GT whatever do what you wish but when you blow up your engines b/c you dont have a quality engine to start with and have to pay 6-8k to have the engine replaced with a STOCK one then you come tell me its still worth it

i HAD a 2008 GT with the 3.5 i know first hand how bad of an engine it is, i was SO SICK AND TIRED of the constant problems with my 3.5 i bought a 3.6 and 6spd trans and all the related parts to swap into my GT......then 2 weeks later some stupid state snowplow totalled her........

and i am serious the 3.6 really the best V6 Gm uses today...Quality wise and for the most part power wise as well

i am DONE trying to get it thru your peoples thick heads that the 2.4 and 3.6 are the best candidate for being SUCESSFULLY modified for forced induction considering the countless problems the 3.9 and 3.5 have just in stock form alone but i guess it will take one of you blowing up your engine for you all to realise that

i guess if you all want to build your towers on sand rather than rock you will all see your dreams come crashing down lol

yeah i know the 2.4 and 3.6 are more reliable. that's what i mentioned at the start of the thread that i thought 2.4 would be the first g6 engine running a turbo. read before you judge.
ok, they are more reliable, so what?
i believe in the potential and reliability of the 3.5 engine. it's ok if you don't. cuz you had a troublesome engine doesn't mean everyone else does too. people are shooting problems whenever they have one. do a little reaserch you will find the reality is, not so many problems with the 'crappy' engines are actually with engines.
you gotta admit, no matter how 'shitty' those lx9's or lz4's are. they are already much better than earlier 3100 3400 or 3800s in all ways. now that even those engines are running turbos, i don't see why 3500s can't. and FYI, there is already successful turboed 3500 in a berreta, which means that engine is actually capable of something.
think about it, why are so many ppl out there doing LX9 swaps? if they are such garbage as you said. oh man, they all must lose their fricking mind!
and for something offtopic, running close to a g8 gt isn't a big deal for a 3.6. it's already 250hp stock, and so much lighter than a g8. and the civic thing is real. one of my not-so-close friend has a 2000 buck 99' civic, 500 bucks repair after bought it. and another 8000 with aftermarket upgrades. dyno-ed 275 fwhp. so for your foundation or whatever wise, that 2000 piece of crap is way better than your gxp. but think about it. IS IT?

Ok im new to the forum in terms of registration....but im always here *evil laugh*. Ok this is what he told me said he wasn't going to do it for FREE that he'll just discount the labor and that it costs $6250 i'll post my email responses from him on here just wanted to give you all a heads up on this. If you ask me its not worth it usually when someone asks for a guinea pig then the pig gets paid or its an even exchange. this man wants you to pay for an "experiment" basically on your car. Completely turned me off from him.


Update:> --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Mike <mikem@milzymotorsports.com> wrote:
>
>
From: Mike <mikem@milzymotorsports.com>
> Subject: Re: G6 TURBO KITS FOR 3500
> To: "Got something For you" <rule3_362002@yahoo.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 10:24 AM
>
> I'm working on developing a kit that will fit most of, if not all of the
> G6's. I did some pre-liminary pricing the other day on everything,
> and I came up with about $6250 for the complete twin turbo kit, plus fuel
> system upgrades. The kit comes with everything needed including two
> gt series ball-bearing Garrett turbos capable of supporting atleast 600
> crank hp, direct fit hot plumbing for the turbo kit, bar and plate
> intercooler, aluminum intercooler plumbing, 4 ply couplers, t-bolt clamps,
> K&N filter, AN oil feed and drain lines, a mechnical boost controller,
> hardware, pcm tuned for the turbo kit (although dyno tuning would be
> better), and anything else needed. Upgrades will be available for
> the fuel system, turbo, and boost controller. there will also be
> options for installation and dyno tuning.
>
> Let me know if you're
> interested in being one of the first ones to get the kit.
>
> Mike
> Miller
> Milzy Motorsports
>

> So basically you're not looking for a guinea pig? i thought you wanted
> someone's car to test the kit out so you could sell it to others after
> proving it was a good buy? so you want me to spend $6250 and send my car
> to you for something that possibly may not work and hasn't been tested or
> proven to work on our cars? i mean you'll have to rebuild the engine and
> the tranny. if this is the case let me know please.


I am looking for a guinea pig, actually one for each engine that comes in the G6. These guinea pigs however do not get a free turbo kit or anything like that. Instead I offer them a discount on the installation labor and the dynotuning.

It would cost quite a bit more to rebuild the engine and trans. The engine is made with high quality parts and should withstand a fair amount of power increase without issue. If the customer wants to go further and put forged pistons in it, and so on, that's fine, they just have to pay the difference. As for the trans, it depends which transmission the car has to begin with, and it's current state. the 4t45e is the weakest of all of them, and would probably need upgraded to get a decent amount of use out of it, but the 6 speed manual and 6 speed auto should be a little stronger. Again, it just depends how far the customer wants to go with it.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Mike Miller
Milzy Motorsports

LOL at him not thinking the trnas needs stengthening, the 4T45 in the 3.5 i had issues with it slipping all the time (but the dealer could magically never find anything wrong LOL, the 6spd manual quite a few ppl have had problems with just on stock power and a few even had the gears actually shatter under stock power, 6spd auto is whats on my GXP its only rated for 300hp and 280tq i do believe.........cant say much for it yet since i only have 7k miles on it but others have had no issues other than complaints of the shifts being to hard (which is better for the trans anyways) and idk it just feels like a beast tranny to me........wont really know what they can take till someone destroys their tranny :(

and wzbhnn i was talking about the 3.5 LZ4 being junk as you said the LX9 is always called the 3500 ;) idk i havent really heard anything bad about those but it gets me a little worried every time you have 2 diff metals between the heads and the blocks, seems like more times than not it causes problems from the different expansion rates :(