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Old 10-28-2009, 03:49 PM   #1
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Misfire problems...

My girl's car has been running like crap lately, and of course, everytime I drive it, it doesn't do what it does for her. It's odd though, this thread: http://www.g6ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5286 is somewhat the same we're experiencing, however, her CEL is on now, but I got a PO300 code (random/multiple cylinder misfire.) Now, I know that would most likely be caused by the coils/plugs/wires, but my friend found (not sure where) that I'm not sure is a TSB or not, but said the misfire problem has something to do with the fuel rail being clogged with rust? Has anyone ever heard of that problem? This is what he e-mailed me:

Cylinder Miss On Left Turns And Cylinder 4 Miss On Right Turns - Possible Fuel Contamination - keywords CEL contaminated controls cylinders gas injector intermittent MIL misfire P0300 P0301 rail rust #PIP3333A - (07/12/2007)



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Sorry for the long lengthy post, any knowledge will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:16 PM   #2
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i highly doubt that it's the rust in the fuel rail ... how many miles are on her car?

usually a random misfire indicates a bad coil pack
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:25 PM   #3
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I know, but the fuel rail thing threw me a curveball, that's why I wanted to ask here. Her car has 55k on it. Out of all the years I've been doing work on vehicles, I haven't had to diagnose a bad coil yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are coil on plugs right? How would I be able to tell what one is exactly bad? Would one be discolored?
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Old 10-28-2009, 10:18 PM   #4
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I just fixed this horrible issue on my car and the oddest thing ever...it turned out after replacing O2 sensors and all that it was the catalytic converter which was clogged up. The "stone" inside was all cracked! Anyways this was found after having some surgery on the rear of engine and removing plugs, coil, head covers and all. This is easier to check if you go to a muffler shop. So try to check that if you can.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:00 AM   #5
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I know, but the fuel rail thing threw me a curveball, that's why I wanted to ask here. Her car has 55k on it. Out of all the years I've been doing work on vehicles, I haven't had to diagnose a bad coil yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are coil on plugs right? How would I be able to tell what one is exactly bad? Would one be discolored?
i've never seen rust in the fuel rail at 55k miles ... that's very unlikely.

Plus if it was misfiring because of the rusty fuel rail you would have a code from the o2 sensors saying "running too lean" i think.

no these have one coil pack and wires going to each plug ... if you're replacing the wires then they come as a set of 6 or 4 depends on the motor.

You can take the coil off and take it to autozone and they'll test it for free.

they'll test the primary and secondary resistance. if it's not the coil then try going with the cheaper solution first - new plugs but i don't know what wold be cheaper new wires or new plugs cuz these take iridium plugs which are $8 a piece.

Take the wires off the plug and see if there any burned marks on them any where.

me personally I'd take it somewhere where they'll be able to tell me exactly what the problem is.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:48 PM   #6
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Thanks for the response guys. My friend has a lift so we'll be putting it up on Sunday and checking the cats. We were also going to check all the ignition things as well and go from there.
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Hey everyone, new here to the forum. I have some questions regarding my 2007 Pontiac G6 3.5L engine. I have pulled DTC CODE: P0301 which is a misfire in cylinder one. Here is what I have tried to do to correct this matter. I have checked for vacuum leaks, I have done a compression test on cylinders and have got a reading of 140 - 150 psi's in each cylinder, have changed spark plugs, plug wires, ignition coil pack and have swapped the injector around to see if the misfire would follow but it did not. I have the misfire but also have to push the gas paddle at half WOT at times before it takes off like something is holding it back. Could this be the built-in TPS on the throttle body causing this? I also checked the TPS and back probed A&B wires at the plug and it read 0.00 and when moving throttle to WOT it read 5.0 but dropped back to 0.00 and would not stay at a consistent amount of volts before dropping back to 0.00. Please if anyone has ran into this I ask for your help. Also don't know if I tested the TPS the right way so if there is something that I need to do different please let me know

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Old 06-27-2015, 01:38 PM   #8
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Hey everyone, new here to the forum. I have some questions regarding my 2007 Pontiac G6 3.5L engine. I have pulled DTC CODE: P0301 which is a misfire in cylinder one. Here is what I have tried to do to correct this matter. I have checked for vacuum leaks, I have done a compression test on cylinders and have got a reading of 140 - 150 psi's in each cylinder, have changed spark plugs, plug wires, ignition coil pack and have swapped the injector around to see if the misfire would follow but it did not. I have the misfire but also have to push the gas paddle at half WOT at times before it takes off like something is holding it back. Could this be the built-in TPS on the throttle body causing this? I also checked the TPS and back probed A&B wires at the plug and it read 0.00 and when moving throttle to WOT it read 5.0 but dropped back to 0.00 and would not stay at a consistent amount of volts before dropping back to 0.00. Please if anyone has ran into this I ask for your help. Also don't know if I tested the TPS the right way so if there is something that I need to do different please let me know

Thanks, Brad

1. misfire in cyl 1:
look for an intermittent in #1 injector circuit

2. "also have to push the gas peddle at half WOT at times before it takes off like something is holding it back":
this occurs how frequently?
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1. misfire in cyl 1:
look for an intermittent in #1 injector circuit

2. "also have to push the gas peddle at half WOT at times before it takes off like something is holding it back":
this occurs how frequently?
1.Whats the best way to check the circuit?

2. This happens quite frequently. Just about every trip. Sometimes it happens 3-4 times a trip and seldomly none at all.
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:37 PM   #10
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1.using a live data scan tool with graphing. since its an intermittent misfire, testing with a simple noid light or multimeter could easily miss it. looking at the misfire data would likely help a lot in diagnosis.


2.then i wonder if the bank 1 cat is clogging up. a clogging cat can both cause a misfire & be the result of a misfire. i would do an exhaust backpressure test on bank 1 before i did anything else.
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Greeman, Thanks for your help. I have now figured out the cylinder one miss fire. Believe it or not it was the coolant crossover gasket located on the front side of the engine that goes from bank 1 to bank 2 and is also the bracket that holds my alternator. Here's a picture, hopefully I can help someone else with a similar problem. This was located on passenger side right at the bottom of the cylinder head on cylinder one.
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