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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-16-2011, 12:41 PM Thread Starter
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Angry WTF mate - sensor lights and steering vibration

In an earlier post I mentioned how my abs/traction/stabilitrak lights were on, my mechanic suggested replacing the front bearings so after replacing both fronts the lights are still on. In conjunction with this my steering wheel has been vibrating like an eppileptic rabbit randomly at speeds of 80-105 kmh... The dealership rebalanced the tires, replaced a balljoint on the drivers side and aligned the tires and it's still there! If anyone has any helpful ideas or information I would be overjoyed to hear from you
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-16-2011, 02:52 PM
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Did your mechanic check for ABS DTCs? You need to get the codes.



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Not yet he's trying to get it in on a day his boss isn't around so he can just put it up on the hoist and check it out, he works for a ford dealership and they get touchy when you have better cars in their shop and aren't paying them
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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-17-2011, 02:12 PM
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Good read on ABS codes:

http://www.aa1car.com/library/abscodes.htm

I know GM ABS codes all start with a C. I'm not sure whether a Ford dealer will be able to read GM codes. I admit that ABS is not one of my strong suits.

Don't know if you have tried this but tire stores will hoist it & try to diagnose it for free. If you try more than one you might hit the jackpot. Just a thought.

What year & engine is that vehicle?




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It's an 06 gtp sedan and I'll have to hit some tire shops when I get the day off
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It's an 06 gtp sedan and I'll have to hit some tire shops when I get the day off
IIRC, all 05-06 have electric power steering.

So your steering wheel never misbehaves at idle? Because rocking back & forth at idle is a known issue with EPS. The cause is the steering wheel position sensor is seeking home position & can't find it. Tons of these 'steering wheel possessed' videos on youtube:


I'm not at all sure this is a problem that you're having as you are only experiencing the issue at speed & apparently it did not start until the undercarriage got clobbered.

If I were betting on it, all my money would be on a bad wheel speed sensor. But first to find out which one.



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It vibrated before I clobbered my baby but it got worse after, my driverside tie rod bushings looks chewed up but the shop said it was still fine
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It vibrated before I clobbered my baby but it got worse after, my driverside tie rod bushings looks chewed up but the shop said it was still fine
Just had to replace my driver's side inner & outer tie rod myself due to a small fender bender.



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I don't think this cars been in any accidents but the dealership didn't give me the carfax for it so I can't be sure
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Maybe this will give you a lead:

Service Information
2006 Pontiac G6 | G6 (VIN Z) Service Manual | Document ID: 1576513
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ABS Description and Operation
This vehicle is equipped with the DBC7.2 antilock braking system.

The vehicle is equipped with the following braking systems:

Antilock brake system (ABS)

Dynamic rear proportioning (DRP)

Traction control system (TCS)

Vehicle stability enhancement system (VSES) (w/FX3)

The following components are involved in the operation of the above systems:

Electronic brake control module (EBCM)--The EBCM controls the system functions and detects failures.

The EBCM contains the following components:

- System relay--The system relay is energized when the ignition is ON and no ABS DTCs are present. It supplies battery positive voltage to the solenoid valves and pump motor.

- Brake pressure sensors--The EBCM contains 2 brake pressure sensors that monitor applied master cylinder pressure to the wheels. The EBCM uses the brake pressure inputs to enhance VSES.

- Vent tube--The vent tube, located in the EBCM connector, is an opening to the internal cavity of the EBCM. It allows ventilation of the EBCM internals.

Brake pressure modulator valve (BPMV)--The BPMV contains the hydraulic valves and pump motor that are controlled electrically by the EBCM. The BPMV uses a 4 circuit configuration with a diagonal split. The BPMV directs fluid from the reservoir of the master cylinder to the left front and right rear wheels and fluid from the other reservoir to the right front and left rear wheels. The diagonal circuits are hydraulically isolated so that a leak or malfunction in one circuit will allow continued braking ability on the other.


Important: There is a rubber isolator located under the BPMV and on the mounting studs. The rubber isolators protect the BPMV and the EBCM from vehicle vibrations.


The BPMV contains the following components:

- Pump motor

- Inlet valves (one per wheel)

- Outlet valves (one per wheel)

- Master cylinder isolation valves (one per drive wheel)

- Prime valves (one per drive wheel)

Wheel speed sensors (WSS)--As the wheel spins, the wheel speed sensor produces an AC signal. The EBCM uses this AC signal to calculate wheel speed. The wheel speed sensors are replaceable only as part of the wheel hub and bearing assemblies.

Traction control switch--The TCS is manually disabled or enabled using the traction control switch.

Brake pedal position (BPP) sensor--The EBCM receives a serial data message from the body control module (BCM) to indicate that the brake pedal is applied.

Yaw rate sensor (w/FX3)--The EBCM uses the yaw rate sensor to determine the rate of rotation along the vehicle's vertical axis. The yaw rate sensor is packaged with the lateral accelerometer as a single component.

Lateral accelerometer (wFX3)--The EBCM uses the lateral accelerometer to determine the sideways acceleration of the vehicle. The lateral accelerometer is packaged with the yaw rate sensor as a single component.

Steering wheel position sensor (SWPS) (w/FX3)--The EBCM uses the SWPS as an indication of the position and rotation of the steering wheel.

Initialization Sequence
The electronic brake control module (EBCM) performs one initialization test each ignition cycle. The initialization of the EBCM occurs when one set of the following conditions occur:

Both of the following conditions occur:

The EBCM detects that there is a minimum of 500 RPM from the engine control module (ECM) via a serial data message.

The brake pedal position sensor (BPP) is not applied.

OR

Both of the following conditions occur:

The vehicle speed is greater than 16 km/h (10 mph).

The BPP is applied.

The initialization sequence may also be commanded with a scan tool.

The initialization sequence cycles each solenoid valve and the pump motor, as well as the necessary relays, for approximately 1.5 seconds to check component operation. The EBCM sets a DTC if any error is detected. The initialization sequence may be heard and felt while it is taking place, and is considered part of normal system operation.

The EBCM defines a drive cycle as the completion of the initialization sequence.

Antilock Brake System
When wheel slip is detected during a brake application, the antilock brake system (ABS) enters antilock mode. During antilock braking, hydraulic pressure in the individual wheel circuits is controlled to prevent any wheel from slipping. A separate hydraulic line and specific solenoid valves are provided for each wheel. The ABS can decrease, hold, or increase hydraulic pressure to each wheel brake. The ABS cannot, however, increase hydraulic pressure above the amount which is transmitted by the master cylinder during braking.

During antilock braking, a series of rapid pulsations is felt in the brake pedal. These pulsations are caused by the rapid changes in position of the individual solenoid valves as the electronic brake control module (EBCM) responds to wheel speed sensor inputs and attempts to prevent wheel slip. These pedal pulsations are present only during antilock braking and stop when normal braking is resumed or when the vehicle comes to a stop. A ticking or popping noise may also be heard as the solenoid valves cycle rapidly. During antilock braking on dry pavement, intermittent chirping noises may be heard as the tires approach slipping. These noises and pedal pulsations are considered normal during antilock operation.

Vehicles equipped with ABS may be stopped by applying normal force to the brake pedal. Brake pedal operation during normal braking is no different than that of previous non-ABS systems. Maintaining a constant force on the brake pedal provides the shortest stopping distance while maintaining vehicle stability.

Pressure Hold
The electronic brake control module (EBCM) closes the inlet valve and keeps the outlet valve closed in order to isolate the system when wheel slip occurs. This holds the pressure steady on the brake so that the hydraulic pressure does not increase or decrease.

Pressure Decrease
The electronic brake control module (EBCM) decreases the pressure to individual wheels during a deceleration when wheel slip occurs. The inlet valve is closed and the outlet valve is opened. The excess fluid is stored in the accumulator until the return pump can return the fluid to the master cylinder.

Pressure Increase
The electronic brake control module (EBCM) increases the pressure to individual wheels during a deceleration in order to reduce the speed of the wheel. The inlet valve is opened and the outlet valve is closed. The increased pressure is delivered from the master cylinder.

Dynamic Rear Proportioning (DRP)
The dynamic rear proportioning (DRP) is a control system that replaces the hydraulic proportioning function of the mechanical proportioning valve in the base brake system. The DRP control system is part of the operation software in the electronic brake control module (EBCM). The DRP uses active control with existing ABS in order to regulate the vehicle's rear brake pressure.

The red brake warning indicator is illuminated when the dynamic rear proportioning function is disabled.

Traction Control System (TCS) (NW9)
When drive wheel slip is noted while the brake is not applied, the electronic brake control module (EBCM) will enter traction control mode.

First, the EBCM requests the engine control module (ECM) to reduce the amount of torque to the drive wheels via the requested torque signal circuit. The ECM reduces torque to the drive wheels by retarding spark timing and turning off fuel injectors. The ECM reports the amount torque delivered to the drive wheels via the delivered torque signal circuit.

If the engine torque reduction does not eliminate drive wheel slip, the EBCM will actively apply the drive wheel brakes. During traction control braking, hydraulic pressure in each drive wheel circuit is controlled to prevent the drive wheels from slipping. The master cylinder isolation valve closes in order to isolate the master cylinder from the rest of the hydraulic system. The prime valve then opens in order to allow the pump to accumulate brake fluid in order to build hydraulic pressure for braking. The drive wheel inlet and outlet solenoid valves then open and close in order to perform the following functions:

Pressure hold

Pressure increase

Pressure decrease



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part 2:


Vehicle Stability Enhancement System (VSES)
The vehicle stability enhancement system (VSES) adds an additional level of vehicle control to the electronic brake control module (EBCM).

Yaw rate is the rate of rotation about the vehicle's vertical axis. The lateral accelerometer measures the sideways acceleration of the vehicle. The VSES is activated when the EBCM determines that the desired yaw rate and lateral forces do not match the actual attitude of the vehicle.

The desired attitude of the vehicle are calculated from the following inputs:

The position of the steering wheel

The speed of the vehicle

The lateral, or sideways acceleration of the vehicle

Yaw rate of the vehicle

Master cylinder brake pressure

The difference between the desired yaw rate and the actual yaw rate is the yaw rate error, which is a measurement of oversteer or understeer. If the yaw rate error becomes too large, the EBCM attempts to correct the vehicle's yaw motion by applying differential braking to the appropriate wheel. The amount of differential braking applied to the left or right front wheel is based on both the yaw rate error and side slip rate error.

The VSES activations generally occur during aggressive driving, in turns, or on poor road conditions, without much use of the accelerator pedal. When braking during VSES activation, the pedal pulsations feel different than the ABS pedal pulsations. The brake pedal pulsates at a higher frequency during VSES activation.

Driver Information Indicators and Messages
The following indicators are used to inform the driver of several different factors.

Brake Warning Indicator
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) illuminates the brake warning indicator when the following occurs:

The body control module (BCM) detects that the park brake is engaged. The IPC receives a serial data message from the BCM requesting illumination. The brake warning indicator flashes at a rate of approximately twice per second when the park brake is engaged.

The electronic brake control module (EBCM) detects a low brake fluid condition or a base brake pressure differential and sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

The IPC performs the bulb check.

The EBCM detects an ABS-disabling malfunction which also disables dynamic rear proportioning (DRP) and sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

ABS Indicator
The IPC illuminates the ABS indicator when the following occurs:

The EBCM detects an ABS-disabling malfunction and sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

The IPC performs the bulb check.

The IPC detects a loss of serial data communication with the EBCM.

The EBCM sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

Stability System On Indicator
The IPC illuminates the stability system on indicator when a VSES event occurs. The EBCM sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

Stability System Off Indicator
The IPC illuminates the stability control off message when one or more of the following conditions exists:

The EBCM disables engine torque reduction due to a malfunction and sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

The driver manually disables the vehicle stability enhancement system (VSES) and engine torque reduction by pressing the traction control switch. The EBCM sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

Traction Control On Indicator
The IPC illuminates the stability system on indicator when a traction control system (TCS) event occurs. The EBCM sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting illumination.

Traction Control Off Indicator
The IPC illuminates the traction off indicator when the following occurs:

The IPC flashes the traction off indicator if wheel slip is detected while engine torque reduction and brake pressure application are both disabled.
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That video is what my wheel does at Around 110
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That video is what my wheel does at Around 110
110kph or 110mph?

Made any progress on your problem? Yours doesn't sound like an EPS issue.




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post #14 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-24-2011, 02:19 PM Thread Starter
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Kph, took her to the shop today and buddy says the tires are way over inflated,(42psi instead of 30) and to take it up to a different dealership up the street and get them force balanced since they don't have the machine here.. So fingers crossed for the vibration and as for the abs lights they said go talk to chevy, frindly ford boys
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