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Tie Rod - Suspension Issues

I have a 2008 G6 and was told a while back by an oil change facility that my tie rod and control arm with ball joint needed to be replaced on my car. I called a local Buick/GMC dealership today and was told by the service department that it may not be the whole tie rod needs replacing, but rather another component like the CV joint or a torn boot, but of course I would need to bring it in for a diagnostic. I have noticed a similar 'clunking' sound as others have noted, and also check power steering shows up occasionally in my radio display, usually upon starting up the car, but as soon as I turn the wheel slightly one way or another, the warning goes away. I had the same problem as others with the power steering going out on me, took it in about a year or so ago because I found information about the Service Notice and they took care of that, and it hasn't frozen up anymore since. Car has 76k miles on it. Since I'm a female who knows very little about cars I'm just trying to do some homework about any potential TSB's or Service Notices, etc...before I take it in so I can at least sound like I know what I'm talking about a little, and in case I can get something repaired/replaced at no charge.
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I'd take it to a tire chain store (preferably two or more) & have them check out the front end. This usually cost nothing.

Is your only symptom then a clunking sound? On your car, usually that will be caused by the ISS (intermediate steering shaft). Has that ever been replaced?



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Thanks for your quick response! Nope, other than the power steering freezing issue that was resolved with the service notice, I haven't had anything else on the car repaired/replaced. The clunking sound and power steering showing up in my radio display upon starting the car occasionally are the only things I'm really noticing, but the power steering warning goes out as soon as I turn my wheel slightly. I have another post about the tire monitor warning and one of my tires having a slow leak. It was a tire store I took it to before that told me it was the "outer tie rod (Drivers) and control arm w/ball joint (DS)" that needed replacing to the tune of about $400. They said it was very loose and needed to be replaced asap, but that was some time ago, financial restraints have kept me from being able to bring it in for servicing. I have a friend who works on cars and says he can replace the tie rod, but I think I'd feel better bringing it into a regular shop...
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I don't know about the rest. But at least with the tie rod end. I might just let your friend do it if he knows at least what he's doing. I changed both my fronts. I payed 20 bucks a piece for the parts from rockauto.com and changed them in like 10 mins per side. A shop wanted to charge me $180 per side. So I saved $300 by doing them myself and took me all of a half hour or so to do it and get it all done.

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Oh wow, $20 sounds a lot better than $400! If it's nominal I guess I could have him take a shot at replacing it and if that doesn't resolve the issue then move on from there. Thank you guys for the information and prompt responses!
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It was a tire store I took it to before that told me it was the "outer tie rod (Drivers) and control arm w/ball joint (DS)" that needed replacing to the tune of about $400. They said it was very loose and needed to be replaced asap, but that was some time ago, financial restraints have kept me from being able to bring it in for servicing. I have a friend who works on cars and says he can replace the tie rod, but I think I'd feel better bringing it into a regular shop...
I would take it in to another shop for a second opinion. If they say the same, you are really taking a big risk driving it.



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Ok, thank you again for all of the information! Is there a 'normal' timeframe where you might expect a car to have issues with the suspension/tie rods? I've got 76k on it now, but I will (shamefacedly) admit it's been over 2 years since the tire place told me the tie rod needed to be replaced, when the mileage was a little over 45k.
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Ok, thank you again for all of the information! Is there a 'normal' timeframe where you might expect a car to have issues with the suspension/tie rods? I've got 76k on it now, but I will (shamefacedly) admit it's been over 2 years since the tire place told me the tie rod needed to be replaced, when the mileage was a little over 45k.
They shouldn't be wearing out at 45K. Has it ever been in an accident?

I would guess it's out of alignment & wearing tires down pretty fast.



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I bought it in 2008 with 6k miles on it. I've never been in an accident with it, so unless it was involved in something prior to me buying it, nope, no accidents.
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I bought it in 2008 with 6k miles on it. I've never been in an accident with it, so unless it was involved in something prior to me buying it, nope, no accidents.
Have you gotten that second opinion yet?



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My dad is talking to his mechanic this week about me bringing it in! Thanks for the follow-up! :-)
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I had the same problem on my 2009 G6.

First off do you know if you have a hydrolic power steering module or an electric one?
This can be determined by looking under the hood and seeing if you have a power steering fluid tank.

if not then you have an electric power steering module and rack & pinion.
This was my case, there started to have a loose in the rack and pinion which caused the clunking sound and the intermitant power steering message showing up on the radio.

but this does not exclude the possibility of having a tie rod end loose, or a problem with the control arm and/or wheels bearing or just as simple as having a bushing thats cracked or finished

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Well I took the car in to my dad's mechanic and he said the drivers side tie rod does have some minor signs of wear and very little 'play'. Of course it was like he was speaking Greek to me, but he was great about breaking it down in less than laymans terms for me understand a little better. He said while I should eventually replace the outer tie rod and lower control arm w/ball joint, but that it's nowhere near as urgent as the tire place made it seem a while back, and that I'm fine driving it for now.

I mentioned how it drives a little rough once I get up to higher speeds, and he said that's probably because it's out of alignment, but I shouldn't get that taken care of until after I get the tie rod issue resolved.

My engine light was on and he checked the code for that, it was "P00100, Intake A Camshaft Position", they're researching it to find out exactly what it is, he said it could be a sensor, waiting to hear back from them to find out for sure. Brake pads have about 1/3 left.

Oneandonly, I'll have to take a look, but to the best of my recollection I don't remember seeing a power steering fluid tank. So the power steering message could be a crack in the rack and pinion bushing? I'm just taking notes so next time I take it in I can bring these things up (and sound a little like I know what I am talking about!) That power steering message shows up just upon starting the engine, then just goes away when I turn the wheel slightly. Sometimes it comes up everytime I drive it, then it might not show up again for weeks or longer.
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Does the steering wheel become hard to turn when the message comes on while driving? if no than it would be the steering wheel position sensor, could be a defective rack and pinion or just an electrical glitch.

Where as the p0100 instake camshat position actuator, i had the same codes and its the camshaft position actuator solenoids that need to be replaced, which is what i did and i havent had that problem since.

If i recall there is a how to posted on here for the replacement of the solenoids
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My apologies Greenman...I think you posted a sticky about my error code already!!
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