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I'm Vettte 79. Actually there are 2 problems with the shifter.
First, the hard shifting when cold:
I had the cable kit changed on my car and it did correct the situation. The shifter is now smooth. The mechanic confirmed that the cable was jammed and it got worst when cold. It took some 6 hours to change the cable and it's quite a big piece.
Second:
The grinding on 2nd and 3rd is an other issue, i'm getting the car at the dealer soon this week. It requires a DSM autorisation so to change the tranny. There is an other party in British Columbia (Victoria) who had is tranny changed. I'm sure that it's a tranny problem. When the car is stopped and I play around with the shifter, it's as smooth as any other tranny, but as soon as I get the car moving, 2nd and 3rd gears are ginding...
My dealer is Contact Pontiac Buick in Laval (Near Montreal) Quebec, Canada. The mechanic and the service manager knows my case, so your dealer can get in touch with them for an exchange... Good Luck !
First, the hard shifting when cold:
I had the cable kit changed on my car and it did correct the situation. The shifter is now smooth. The mechanic confirmed that the cable was jammed and it got worst when cold. It took some 6 hours to change the cable and it's quite a big piece.
Second:
The grinding on 2nd and 3rd is an other issue, i'm getting the car at the dealer soon this week. It requires a DSM autorisation so to change the tranny. There is an other party in British Columbia (Victoria) who had is tranny changed. I'm sure that it's a tranny problem. When the car is stopped and I play around with the shifter, it's as smooth as any other tranny, but as soon as I get the car moving, 2nd and 3rd gears are ginding...
My dealer is Contact Pontiac Buick in Laval (Near Montreal) Quebec, Canada. The mechanic and the service manager knows my case, so your dealer can get in touch with them for an exchange... Good Luck !
I don't think that there will be some damadges. It's a feeling like when you shift a manual transmission in reverse. It feels like something is turning around in the transmission and you have to guide the shifter into the gear. It's not a FRICTION grinding like 2 pieces of metal rubbing against one each other...It's hard to describe, but it's not pleasant to drive a car this way. Also, when I shift from 2dn to third, the shifter almost wants to get out of the 2nd gear by itself, just a little touch on the stick and out it goes from 2nd to neutral. I will try to get the dealer to go in action and solve the problem.
So far I had only one answer about a tranny change for the same problem, I don't think that this will turn to be a national situation as the jamming steering column is.
Will keep posted on my thread.
So far I had only one answer about a tranny change for the same problem, I don't think that this will turn to be a national situation as the jamming steering column is.
Will keep posted on my thread.
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Vette, I just bought my car last week, 500 miles on it and it does seem to have the exact symptoms as your tranny. It was very noticable today,(when it was pretty cold). I did spray the linkage under the hood with CRC lubricant and then test drive the car after work today. It did shift very well then, but I'm not sure if it was the CRC or the tranny was just finally warmed up? Lets keep on top of this. So far I'm happy with the dealer and believe they will want me to be happy. 
John
John
Well... at first the dealer did the same thing. Afterword they even pried the linkage bracket and this solved a 2nd grear problem. At that time going from 3rd to 2nd the shifter was jamming. Re-alining the bracket did solved that problem and the shifter got also softer for a while, but the stifness came back after a few days. The cable change did correct that situation, but the grinding still is there, which is also a different problem. Got to go back,,, but I missing some time...
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What's the verdict.. vette?
February 8 2006. I went to the dealer yesterday and they did a test drive. They found that the problem is more evident when RPM is high and it's not normal. I'm expecting a call today for their answer. But so far the DSM, he never drove a 6 speed and he could'nt compare. The dealer does'nt have a 6 speed neither so no possible comparision.
I'll be posting an update ASAP
I'll be posting an update ASAP
TREVLYA006 who posted a bulltin on his thread did find somethins to solve the problem. He apparently works for a Chevy Dealer and he did some research and found an answer which is posted furthur down.
I have a rendez-vous at the dealer on Feb. 28.. At this time the dealer and the GM district Serive Manager are still wandering about the problem and after 4 months of complaints they finally got the DSM to test drive my car. They say they don't have any idea to stelle the problem, but somebody else found the solution.
The text below comes from TREVLYA006 who I'm thanking for the time he took to do some research and post the bulletin.
Will keep you posted with a report next week.
HERE IS THE TEXT:
Opel F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle/Transmission Exchange Program (RPO MT2) #06-07-29-002 - (Feb 3, 2006)
Opel F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle/Transmission Exchange Program (RPO MT2)
2006 Pontiac G6
with Transmission - Man 6 Spd, Opel, 83 mm, 3.77 1st, 0.62 6th (F40 WR) (RPO MT2)
This bulletin will cover the F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle exchange program for the 2006 Pontiac G6. This exchange program will be in effect for approximately the first 12 months of vehicle production.
This exchange program will be administered by the GM Product Quality Center (PQC). To request an exchange, dealerships are required to call the PQC - not the Technical Assistance Center (TAC). The PQC may refer the dealer technician to TAC if additional diagnosis is required. Prior to calling the PQC, please make sure to complete the "OEM Manual Transmission Exchange Worksheet" referenced at the end of this bulletin. Use of this worksheet will minimize the time spent on the telephone and avoid the need of a second call to the PQC. Guidelines for honoring exchange requests under this program are being strictly enforced.
Components that may be removed and serviced without exchange of the transaxle are identified in the list below. Any repairs involving transmission components not identified in the table below may require a transmission exchange.
Please note that this list is subject to change as the program progresses. You will be notified by the PQC consultant if additional transaxle items are considered serviceable.
Current Serviceable Transaxle Related Components:
• Seal, Drive Axle
• Sensor, Vehicle Speed
• Switch, Back Up Lamp
• Pin, Clutch Housing Lock
• Plug, Trans Oil Drain
• Bolt, Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
• Bolt, Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
• Actuator, Clutch Asm
• Plug, Trans Fluid Fill
• Control, Shifter Assembly
All other components of the transmission require assembly replacement at this time.
Important: Transmission repairs or failures that are caused by components external to the transmission DO NOT fall under the exchange program. For example, transmission oil cooler lines incorrectly installed causing a transmission failure will have to go through GMSPO to obtain a transmission assembly. Also, transmissions needed for insurance repairs have to be obtained from GMSPO. The exchange program is created as a way to identify and correct internal concerns. External components causing a failure do not provide any useful information in improving a transmission. The transmission received from GMSPO will be a new transmission. As normal process, all warranty claims for transmission replacement must be approved through the PQC.
Exchange Procedure
A thorough diagnosis must be performed in order to prevent unnecessary component replacements. Refer to "Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle" in SI to identify the correct procedure for diagnosing the system.
Prior to calling the PQC, complete the "OEM Transmission Exchange" worksheet referenced at the end of this bulletin
Contact the PQC to verify that proper diagnosis has been performed. Upon review of the diagnosis, the PQC will establish a case reference number and make arrangements for shipping an exchange unit to your dealership if necessary. DO NOT SHIP A TRANSMISSION TO THE WARRANTY PARTS CENTER (WPC) WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL WPC REQUEST.
Important: Failure to return the replaced transmission by the due date will result in the dealership being debited the entire warranty claim (parts and labor). The removed unit must be returned complete in the shipping container. For effective engineering analysis, please do not remove or disassemble any components. The only exception to this is the fluid pan, which should be removed to drain the fluid prior to shipping. The pan must be reinstalled after fluid has drained. Dealerships returning transmissions that have been even partially disassembled will be judged as violating this procedure and, as such, will be billed for all materials furnished.
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation K2720
Description Transmission/Transaxle Assembly - Replace
Labor Time Use Published Labor Operation time
Parts Allowance $337.50
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
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© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
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I have a rendez-vous at the dealer on Feb. 28.. At this time the dealer and the GM district Serive Manager are still wandering about the problem and after 4 months of complaints they finally got the DSM to test drive my car. They say they don't have any idea to stelle the problem, but somebody else found the solution.
The text below comes from TREVLYA006 who I'm thanking for the time he took to do some research and post the bulletin.
Will keep you posted with a report next week.
HERE IS THE TEXT:
Opel F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle/Transmission Exchange Program (RPO MT2) #06-07-29-002 - (Feb 3, 2006)
Opel F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle/Transmission Exchange Program (RPO MT2)
2006 Pontiac G6
with Transmission - Man 6 Spd, Opel, 83 mm, 3.77 1st, 0.62 6th (F40 WR) (RPO MT2)
This bulletin will cover the F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle exchange program for the 2006 Pontiac G6. This exchange program will be in effect for approximately the first 12 months of vehicle production.
This exchange program will be administered by the GM Product Quality Center (PQC). To request an exchange, dealerships are required to call the PQC - not the Technical Assistance Center (TAC). The PQC may refer the dealer technician to TAC if additional diagnosis is required. Prior to calling the PQC, please make sure to complete the "OEM Manual Transmission Exchange Worksheet" referenced at the end of this bulletin. Use of this worksheet will minimize the time spent on the telephone and avoid the need of a second call to the PQC. Guidelines for honoring exchange requests under this program are being strictly enforced.
Components that may be removed and serviced without exchange of the transaxle are identified in the list below. Any repairs involving transmission components not identified in the table below may require a transmission exchange.
Please note that this list is subject to change as the program progresses. You will be notified by the PQC consultant if additional transaxle items are considered serviceable.
Current Serviceable Transaxle Related Components:
• Seal, Drive Axle
• Sensor, Vehicle Speed
• Switch, Back Up Lamp
• Pin, Clutch Housing Lock
• Plug, Trans Oil Drain
• Bolt, Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
• Bolt, Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
• Actuator, Clutch Asm
• Plug, Trans Fluid Fill
• Control, Shifter Assembly
All other components of the transmission require assembly replacement at this time.
Important: Transmission repairs or failures that are caused by components external to the transmission DO NOT fall under the exchange program. For example, transmission oil cooler lines incorrectly installed causing a transmission failure will have to go through GMSPO to obtain a transmission assembly. Also, transmissions needed for insurance repairs have to be obtained from GMSPO. The exchange program is created as a way to identify and correct internal concerns. External components causing a failure do not provide any useful information in improving a transmission. The transmission received from GMSPO will be a new transmission. As normal process, all warranty claims for transmission replacement must be approved through the PQC.
Exchange Procedure
A thorough diagnosis must be performed in order to prevent unnecessary component replacements. Refer to "Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle" in SI to identify the correct procedure for diagnosing the system.
Prior to calling the PQC, complete the "OEM Transmission Exchange" worksheet referenced at the end of this bulletin
Contact the PQC to verify that proper diagnosis has been performed. Upon review of the diagnosis, the PQC will establish a case reference number and make arrangements for shipping an exchange unit to your dealership if necessary. DO NOT SHIP A TRANSMISSION TO THE WARRANTY PARTS CENTER (WPC) WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL WPC REQUEST.
Important: Failure to return the replaced transmission by the due date will result in the dealership being debited the entire warranty claim (parts and labor). The removed unit must be returned complete in the shipping container. For effective engineering analysis, please do not remove or disassemble any components. The only exception to this is the fluid pan, which should be removed to drain the fluid prior to shipping. The pan must be reinstalled after fluid has drained. Dealerships returning transmissions that have been even partially disassembled will be judged as violating this procedure and, as such, will be billed for all materials furnished.
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation K2720
Description Transmission/Transaxle Assembly - Replace
Labor Time Use Published Labor Operation time
Parts Allowance $337.50
GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
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NOW WILL HAVE TO FIGHT GM's ATITUDE !
The program does exist Confirm bY GM's District Service Manager) but still have to go through GM's unacceptable attitude NOT TO APPLY THE PROGRAM.
The GM DSM did try antother 6 speed which did have the same sympthoms that my car has.
His conclusion: YOUR CAR IS NORMAL !
Now, myself, have to test drive some other 6 speeders to prove my point which I will do on March 3 or 6. At this time I will make sure that the car is very cold ( - 14 degree celcius in Montreal now) Than they will see that you have to fight with the stick to change gears and that it's almost impossible to go bak to first (problem that has re-occured since 6-7 days now).
If, like the DSM said to me that GM did put such a tranny on the market, well, I'll have to go public because such a transmission is UNACCEPTABLE. I used to drive M21 and M22 trannies on some 70's Corvettes, which are not so easy to handle, and both are not so harsh to shift...
Once again, after almost 5 months stuggling to get some action done, GM will have me on the market for some other manufacturer cars, but prior to that they will have a fight.
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The program does exist Confirm bY GM's District Service Manager) but still have to go through GM's unacceptable attitude NOT TO APPLY THE PROGRAM.
The GM DSM did try antother 6 speed which did have the same sympthoms that my car has.
His conclusion: YOUR CAR IS NORMAL !
Now, myself, have to test drive some other 6 speeders to prove my point which I will do on March 3 or 6. At this time I will make sure that the car is very cold ( - 14 degree celcius in Montreal now) Than they will see that you have to fight with the stick to change gears and that it's almost impossible to go bak to first (problem that has re-occured since 6-7 days now).
If, like the DSM said to me that GM did put such a tranny on the market, well, I'll have to go public because such a transmission is UNACCEPTABLE. I used to drive M21 and M22 trannies on some 70's Corvettes, which are not so easy to handle, and both are not so harsh to shift...
Once again, after almost 5 months stuggling to get some action done, GM will have me on the market for some other manufacturer cars, but prior to that they will have a fight.
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Gm Service Reps = Amateurs
Today I met with a second GM DSM, he drove my car and did'nt give any comment. I was suppose to drive an other 6 speeder for comparision purpose, the car that was prepared for this occasion and for me was an AUTOMATIC.
They had to prepare anotger 6 speeder but the car was on the lot since agust 2005 and the battery was dead. I mentionned that I wanted to test drive for a late 05 or early 06 production and I refused to compare with an earlier version than my car...
So I asked the DSM for his opinion:
He answered that he saw better and worst trannies. I accepted that there are better ones, but when I asked him which cars he tested with worst trannies, he couldn't reply. Than he said that his wife used to drive an 82 Chevelle that was shifting worst. HOW AMATEUR
Imagine, that's the only answer he coud give.
Even with that he refused to give me his proffessional opinion about the quality of the shifter on a 2006 G6... He admited that he never drove one prior to that, he doesn't have any experience with this product, but his PROFFESSIONAL OPINION is that his wife drove a 1982 Chevelle with a worst shifter.
So next step is to find, among Montreal's dealers, and other 6 seepder until I find at least one that is shifting normally. Other that that, I have to live with the problem.
Don't expect the GM Exchange Program to help you so easiely.....
Sorry for the errors, I'm a Frenchman.
I will keep you informed.
Today I met with a second GM DSM, he drove my car and did'nt give any comment. I was suppose to drive an other 6 speeder for comparision purpose, the car that was prepared for this occasion and for me was an AUTOMATIC.
They had to prepare anotger 6 speeder but the car was on the lot since agust 2005 and the battery was dead. I mentionned that I wanted to test drive for a late 05 or early 06 production and I refused to compare with an earlier version than my car...
So I asked the DSM for his opinion:
He answered that he saw better and worst trannies. I accepted that there are better ones, but when I asked him which cars he tested with worst trannies, he couldn't reply. Than he said that his wife used to drive an 82 Chevelle that was shifting worst. HOW AMATEUR
Imagine, that's the only answer he coud give.
Even with that he refused to give me his proffessional opinion about the quality of the shifter on a 2006 G6... He admited that he never drove one prior to that, he doesn't have any experience with this product, but his PROFFESSIONAL OPINION is that his wife drove a 1982 Chevelle with a worst shifter.
So next step is to find, among Montreal's dealers, and other 6 seepder until I find at least one that is shifting normally. Other that that, I have to live with the problem.
Don't expect the GM Exchange Program to help you so easiely.....
Sorry for the errors, I'm a Frenchman.
I will keep you informed.
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HAHAHAHvette79 said:
Next: Big Move
GM's rep. is still straight minded that my tranny is by GM's specs, although there are no specs. he can show me.
So I'm to find a good GTP with a good tranny. But there are almost none at the dealers at the present time.
I work for a major newpaper ( 2,000,000 readers) and I'm putting an ad to locate GTP 6 speed owners to contact me so I can test drive their cars and find at least one that's fine. This way I will be able to prove that my car has a problem.
GM rep. knows that there is a rarety on the market and that I wont be able to find a 6 speeder, but he does'nt expect that 2,000,000 people can be called on so I can get at least 1 fine tranny in Montreal (Canada) and put it in it's face...
So this is my next step.
GM's rep. is still straight minded that my tranny is by GM's specs, although there are no specs. he can show me.
So I'm to find a good GTP with a good tranny. But there are almost none at the dealers at the present time.
I work for a major newpaper ( 2,000,000 readers) and I'm putting an ad to locate GTP 6 speed owners to contact me so I can test drive their cars and find at least one that's fine. This way I will be able to prove that my car has a problem.
GM rep. knows that there is a rarety on the market and that I wont be able to find a 6 speeder, but he does'nt expect that 2,000,000 people can be called on so I can get at least 1 fine tranny in Montreal (Canada) and put it in it's face...
So this is my next step.
Though I am sure most of you have read the same articles, the census among most car magazines is that the F40 transmission is not a good one. I believe it was Motortrend who said it best when reffering to it as "primative".
I am having the same problems as everyone else and getting the same response from the dealerships...."it supposed to be like that, there is nothing wrong with it".
I pursued the "transmission exchage" listed above. You will have to bend over backwards while jumping through hoops to make that happen. Oh and you'll be without a car for a few weeks while GM engineers "fiddle" with your tranny.
Suffice it to say, that we have a great car with a not-so-great transmission.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Happy St Paddy's day eveyone!!:beer:
I am having the same problems as everyone else and getting the same response from the dealerships...."it supposed to be like that, there is nothing wrong with it".
I pursued the "transmission exchage" listed above. You will have to bend over backwards while jumping through hoops to make that happen. Oh and you'll be without a car for a few weeks while GM engineers "fiddle" with your tranny.
Suffice it to say, that we have a great car with a not-so-great transmission.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Happy St Paddy's day eveyone!!:beer:
Oil Change
When GM's DSM tested my car some 1 month ago, he told me that the oil had to be changed, and he said that the oil in my tranny was changed when they replaced the shifter...
I had a second thought on that. I checked my invoices and there where no sign of an oil change.
This was confirmed by the dealer.
So I will get the oil changed on march 21st. I keep my fingers crossed.....
When GM's DSM tested my car some 1 month ago, he told me that the oil had to be changed, and he said that the oil in my tranny was changed when they replaced the shifter...
I had a second thought on that. I checked my invoices and there where no sign of an oil change.
This was confirmed by the dealer.
So I will get the oil changed on march 21st. I keep my fingers crossed.....
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