[vette79]

I own a 6 speed GTP Coupe. Shifting too second and third gears (and some times to 6th) is very stiff. I even feel the ' GEARS ' in the shifter. Dealer ajusted a cable for the 6th and it partly fix this gear but it still hard to get it in gear if the engine is HOT. I was wandering if this is a problem with other GTP's 6 speed G6 by Pontiac ???

Oh ya! Every time I shut the engine off, there is a loud CLIK coming from the front of the engine. At the beginning it's cliking fast and after a few second the cliking is less faster, but it will click for at least 5 minutes.... I wander if there is a relation ????

For the rest this car is great ! But Who decided to put the third brake light is the rear window ?%?%?%?% Can't see what's happening behind the car ! !! ! ! !

 

[vette79]

Follow up....

Went to the dealer today. The only thing the mechanic could do is to do some bending of the linkage between the shifter and the transmission using a very large screw driver. Just like we where doing on those old Camaro and Vettes in the early 70's, I don't find this has a solution because after a few miles I still can feel the GEARS rolling into the shifter on 2nd and 3rd, which I don't feel in 4,5,6.

Next step will be to test drive an other GTP 6 speed at a dealer and compare the feeling by myself.

GM mechanics don't have any specs for ajusting this new transmission.... They are learning upon every case they get, but since 6 speed are scarse, they really don't know how to ajust or fix this tranny...

Will keep posted a the next step....

 

[vette79]

Cold weather

After they palyed priying the linkage bracket, the cold weather came in. It was 25 degrees in Montreal Canada. I could'nt even shift from 1st to 3dr... Priying a braket don't seem to be the solution, so I will get the car back to the dealer and this time priying a braket won't be accepted as a solution...

 

[vette79]

Got the car to the dealer. They kept it overnight to test the shifter when very cold. Finaly they will replace the shifter cable(s) and it should (I hope) fix the problem. The cable has been ordered, I will get it replaced sometime next week. Will keep you informed.

 

[vette79]

The part will come in mid december. I will post the results. Thanks.

 

[vette79]

The part has not yet arrived...... Xmass time?????
But the problem is still on, either cold or warm. It gets worst when I start very cold, the dealer found the same problem. I don't know if a cable change will fix the problem since I feel that the 2nd and 3dr gears doesn't seem to line up well, I am awaiting for the part and then I will see. By the way. I do press the clutch way down to the carpet, still have the same problem... Will keep you posted.

 

[vette79]

Got the car to the dealer january 18th. They changed the shifter cabels which is quite a big piece that took nearly 6 hours to replace.

Now the shifter is much smoother to handle, but the gringe is still present on 2nd, 3rd grears. So part of the problem is settled, but not all of it.

The mechanic admits that there is some abnormal friction on those gears, 4,5,6 are as natural as any other tranny on other cars. But second and third are'nt. Next step is to test drive the car for a few days, and if it's still the same they will have some DSM (District Service Manager ???) test the car for a decision. I though BLACKRIDER on this site did get a transmission change for the same problem, but actually they changed the shifter cable also, but the tranny seems not to have been changed ??? and he still has the 2nd, 3dr gears friction problem.

So if any of you had the problem solved, please advise me on my mail since a dealer name and a workshop information would help a lot. Will keep you posted.

 

[vette79]

Don't know what is wrong but I am not going to accept this situation for a car that I paid 33 500$ (CDN) + taxes + interests to GMAC. Next step will be to compare with an other car so to confirm that I'ts not a normal thing. My feeling is that there is some problems with some synchronisation parts for those 2 gears, if it where a fluid problemm I would expect to have the problem on all gears!

We will see.

 

[vette79]

More news. BLACKRIDER got in touch with me today and he actualy did get a tranny change but it's not 100% correct eventhough.

I asked him for more details so my dealer can verify with his dealer and get some action done,

This is a good example of the information and help we can get with this type of internet site. Hopefully with G6OC club it might make my life easier.

Thanks G6OC.

 

[vette79]

Can't wait for a service bulletin to come out, if my problem is a single issue. I don't see a tendency on different sites, except for one case. So I imagine that I have to do my own thing so to get some action. The grinding is really there, the mechanic admits it's not normal, and he needs a district service manager to get an OK because if he recommends to change the tranny and it does'nt fix the problem he could be responsible for the invoice.
Also, I'm affraid that it will get worst. Since they changed the cables 3 days ago, the shifter is much smoother because one of the 2 cables was really jammed. Now, when it's in 2nd, just touching the shifter will get the car in neutral, and I mean, just touching it (seems like the tranny want's to get out of gear by itself). Than it's hard to get in the 3rd gear. This is anoying in traffic, the car can go into neutral almost by itself and I have to concentrate on shifting and not the traffic. Also, if it's in 6th, it's impossible to shift directly into 3dr without going into 4th before. (Even if I take all the time for gears to synchronise)This is new since the cable change.
So I imagine that I have to do my own thing or there might never be any action from GM!

 

[vette79]

For those who are following this thread. I went to the dealer on feb. 8th. They test drive the car and found that the grinding is more evident with higher RPM which they could'nt explained. The DSM never drove a 6 speed G6 before and the dealer did'nt have one off hand to compare.

I expect their answer today.

I will be posting the results ASAP

 

[vette79]

Update Feb. 15

My tranny problem is under investigation at the Oshawa (Ont) tech. plant since Feb. 8th.

I am expecting some news sometime today. If they don't have a solution, I will press them to change the tranny, nothing else, or change the car. I cannot accept to drive such a messy shifter anymore.

 

[vette79]

Finally got an answer ....

TREVLYA006 who posted a bulltin on his thread did find somethins to solve the problem. He apparently works for a Chevy Dealer and he did some research and found an answer which is posted furthur down.

I have a rendez-vous at the dealer on Feb. 28.. At this time the dealer and the GM district Serive Manager are still wandering about the problem and after 4 months of complaints they finally got the DSM to test drive my car. They say they don't have any idea to stelle the problem, but somebody else found the solution.

The text below comes from TREVLYA006 who I'm thanking for the time he took to do some research and post the bulletin.

Will keep you posted with a report next week.

HERE IS THE TEXT:



Opel F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle/Transmission Exchange Program (RPO MT2) #06-07-29-002 - (Feb 3, 2006)
Opel F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle/Transmission Exchange Program (RPO MT2)
2006 Pontiac G6

with Transmission - Man 6 Spd, Opel, 83 mm, 3.77 1st, 0.62 6th (F40 WR) (RPO MT2)

This bulletin will cover the F40 6-Speed Manual Transaxle exchange program for the 2006 Pontiac G6. This exchange program will be in effect for approximately the first 12 months of vehicle production.

This exchange program will be administered by the GM Product Quality Center (PQC). To request an exchange, dealerships are required to call the PQC - not the Technical Assistance Center (TAC). The PQC may refer the dealer technician to TAC if additional diagnosis is required. Prior to calling the PQC, please make sure to complete the "OEM Manual Transmission Exchange Worksheet" referenced at the end of this bulletin. Use of this worksheet will minimize the time spent on the telephone and avoid the need of a second call to the PQC. Guidelines for honoring exchange requests under this program are being strictly enforced.

Components that may be removed and serviced without exchange of the transaxle are identified in the list below. Any repairs involving transmission components not identified in the table below may require a transmission exchange.

Please note that this list is subject to change as the program progresses. You will be notified by the PQC consultant if additional transaxle items are considered serviceable.

Current Serviceable Transaxle Related Components:

• Seal, Drive Axle
• Sensor, Vehicle Speed
• Switch, Back Up Lamp
• Pin, Clutch Housing Lock
• Plug, Trans Oil Drain
• Bolt, Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
• Bolt, Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
• Actuator, Clutch Asm
• Plug, Trans Fluid Fill
• Control, Shifter Assembly

All other components of the transmission require assembly replacement at this time.

Important: Transmission repairs or failures that are caused by components external to the transmission DO NOT fall under the exchange program. For example, transmission oil cooler lines incorrectly installed causing a transmission failure will have to go through GMSPO to obtain a transmission assembly. Also, transmissions needed for insurance repairs have to be obtained from GMSPO. The exchange program is created as a way to identify and correct internal concerns. External components causing a failure do not provide any useful information in improving a transmission. The transmission received from GMSPO will be a new transmission. As normal process, all warranty claims for transmission replacement must be approved through the PQC.

Exchange Procedure

A thorough diagnosis must be performed in order to prevent unnecessary component replacements. Refer to "Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle" in SI to identify the correct procedure for diagnosing the system.
Prior to calling the PQC, complete the "OEM Transmission Exchange" worksheet referenced at the end of this bulletin
Contact the PQC to verify that proper diagnosis has been performed. Upon review of the diagnosis, the PQC will establish a case reference number and make arrangements for shipping an exchange unit to your dealership if necessary. DO NOT SHIP A TRANSMISSION TO THE WARRANTY PARTS CENTER (WPC) WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL WPC REQUEST.
Important: Failure to return the replaced transmission by the due date will result in the dealership being debited the entire warranty claim (parts and labor). The removed unit must be returned complete in the shipping container. For effective engineering analysis, please do not remove or disassemble any components. The only exception to this is the fluid pan, which should be removed to drain the fluid prior to shipping. The pan must be reinstalled after fluid has drained. Dealerships returning transmissions that have been even partially disassembled will be judged as violating this procedure and, as such, will be billed for all materials furnished.

Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation K2720
Description Transmission/Transaxle Assembly - Replace
Labor Time Use Published Labor Operation time
Parts Allowance $337.50

GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
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[vette79]

Confirmed Exchange Program.

I met with the District Service Magager ??? DSM today and both this person and a new service manager at this dealer akknowledged that the transmission Exchange Progran really exist.

The DSM did a test drive today and he will give me an answer on March 1st.

But what kind of frustrated me is that they know of the replacement program for some time but the dealer did'nt give me a call to advise that they found something new that will help me, and this since Feb. 8th. (today is Feb. 28). So this brings me to the conclusion that We Car Owners must insist on Follow-ups for our problems or most dealers won't do their best.

If I did'nt have the GM Exchange Program in my poket, I'm quite sure that the dealer would'nt have mention it. So this G6OC is very usefull for us. We need to keep to exchange and those with problems so have a better Car Life.

I will keep a post on March 1st. for their decision.

 

[vette79]

NOW WILL HAVE TO FIGHT GM's ATITUDE!



The program does exist Confirm bY GM's District Service Manager) but still have to go through GM's unacceptable attitude NOT TO APPLY THE PROGRAM.

The GM DSM did try antother 6 speed which did have the same sympthoms that my car has.

His conclusion: YOUR CAR IS NORMAL !

Now, myself, have to test drive some other 6 speeders to prove my point which I will do on March 3 or 6. At this time I will make sure that the car is very cold ( - 14 degree celcius in Montreal now) Than they will see that you have to fight with the stick to change gears and that it's almost impossible to go bak to first (problem that has re-occured since 6-7 days now).

If, like the DSM said to me that GM did put such a tranny on the market, well, I'll have to go public because such a transmission is UNACCEPTABLE. I used to drive M21 and M22 trannies on some 70's Corvettes, which are not so easy to handle, and both are not so harsh to shift...

Once again, after almost 5 months stuggling to get some action done, GM will have me on the market for some other manufacturer cars, but prior to that they will have a fight.

 

[vette79]

Gm Service Reps = Amateurs

Today I met with a second GM DSM, he drove my car and did'nt give any comment. I was suppose to drive an other 6 speeder for comparision purpose, the car that was prepared for this occasion and for me was an AUTOMATIC.

They had to prepare anotger 6 speeder but the car was on the lot since agust 2005 and the battery was dead. I mentionned that I wanted to test drive for a late 05 or early 06 production and I refused to compare with an earlier version than my car...

So I asked the DSM for his opinion:

He answered that he saw better and worst trannies. I accepted that there are better ones, but when I asked him which cars he tested with worst trannies, he couldn't reply. Than he said that his wife used to drive an 82 Chevelle that was shifting worst. HOW AMATEUR

Imagine, that's the only answer he coud give.

Even with that he refused to give me his proffessional opinion about the quality of the shifter on a 2006 G6... He admited that he never drove one prior to that, he doesn't have any experience with this product, but his PROFFESSIONAL OPINION is that his wife drove a 1982 Chevelle with a worst shifter.

So next step is to find, among Montreal's dealers, and other 6 seepder until I find at least one that is shifting normally. Other that that, I have to live with the problem.

Don't expect the GM Exchange Program to help you so easiely.....

Sorry for the errors, I'm a Frenchman.

I will keep you informed.

 

[vette79]

Going Big

GM's rep. is still straight minded that my tranny is by GM's specs, although there are no specs. he can show me.

So I'm to find a good GTP with a good tranny. But there are almost none at the dealers at the present time.

I work for a major newpaper ( 2,000,000 readers) and I'm putting an ad to locate GTP 6 speed owners to contact me so I can test drive their cars and find at least one that's fine. This way I will be able to prove that my car has a problem.

GM rep. knows that there is a rarety on the market and that I wont be able to find a 6 speeder, but he does'nt expect that 2,000,000 people can be called on so I can get at least 1 fine tranny in Montreal (Canada) and put it in it's face...

So this is my next step.

 

[vette79]

Think I'm Gonna Write A Novel

Some good news today. After some thinking I've decided to find an other manual by myself, so I passed an ad in a major newspaper (which I work at) to locate 6 speed owners.

Today I got a call from a guy that owns one with NO SHIFTING PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. And imagine, that guy works for an other major car dealer here in Montreal.

So tuesday I'm gonna get the oil change as schedule and afterword I'm meeting the other guy for a test drive.

If ever that other tranny is OK, GM will have to admit it's failure to settle this problem, fix the car and then they will get a letter stating that they just lost another unsatisfied customer.

So I keep my fingers crossed and I will post the results.

 

[vette79]

Going to plan B

1. Got the oil changed:

Nothing happened, same dirty feeling.

2, I drove the other guy's 6 speeder, but it's even worst than mine It's a very early production). Can't understand that a Pontiac saleman, which he is, didn't even find that is tranny is a real mess. But it's his first manual.....ever.... so he's innocent.

Plan B:

a) I will get 3 transmission expert to evaluate the transmission and will get written reports.

b) I will get a fellow of mine who is an expert journalist and well known here in the Province of Quebec to do the same.

c) I will get the car traded in for another GM product (for politics).

d) Than I'll sue GM and the dealer for the lost in the trade in. Here in Quebec we have a Small Court Goverment thing and we can sue anyone upto 7,000$ and it cost only 35$ entry fee.

e) Due to my type of work, i've been to court many times in my life as an expert. This time I will get this expertise to get my money back.

So it is !!!

Thanks too all of those who wrote to me supporting my case, but if it's impossible to find a late 05 production or an early 06 to compare a good tranny against a bad one, than there is not much we can do.

This is my 27th car ever, and this tranny is the worst I ever drove, even on M-21 and M-22 Corvette's and Camaro's of the sixties and 70's, and those where the worst in their time, after 1982 Chevette, as I was told by a GM expert who drove a single G6 6 speeder in his career and made an expertise: You car is normal as for GM specs, but I cannot show you any specs, since there aren't any, but I saw worst than that on my wife's 82 Chevette. That's his expertise, what a crummy way to do business.

Don't ask yourselves why GM is going bankrupt, they're looking for it and doing what Asian car companies won't do so to stay in business and kill GM, Chrysler and Ford.

Hope too read your later with some evolution....

 

[vette79]

Frustration is:

What is frustrating is that there are some good trannies out there but I just can't find one here. If only I could find one and get GM to compare it with mine than I would be able to get thins moving...

My salesman (dealer) just found a late production about 100 miles from Montreal I think I should go and get a ride in it beefore trading mine and get into legal procedures...

I'm thinking about it !