heater not working means the fluids low.i now have the same problem.
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No moisture in driver or passenger compartment, in fact, no evidence of a leak anywhere. If it was gasket, would there be water in oil? Just had everything checked and only issue mechanic found with the car at all was a leaking front main seal and front struts. Thanks all for the help! Love this damn car but it's so difficult to chase down issues!
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Looking like it's the crossover gaskets. There is some sweating from some of the hose clamps. I'll have to go through those one by one.
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Documentation DVD and scanner review:
I’ve tried to post this information in a new thread several times and I continue to get messages that my post won’t be visible until reviewed by a moderator. That apparently hasn’t happened either, so I’m going to try and add it here as another reply to this existing thread. If I’ve offended anyone or broken any rules, I apologize in advance.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that I’d bought a documentation DVD and a scanner I hoped would allow access to the proprietary GM systems, primarily the folding top controller (FTC).
I bought one of these DVD's for the documentation:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-G6...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Unfortunately, the GM Tech2 scanner was not affordable for me. After researching and questioning the vendor, I decided to take a risk on one of these scanners:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-General...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
I’ve now had both for a while and have had time to see if they would be suitable, particularly for a retractable owner. Here’s a brief review.
The documentation DVD: I bought this first and installed it on a laptop that was capable of running it. Be advised to pay attention to the system requirements. It installs a non-commercial copy of VMWare and runs the software in a virtual instance of Windows XP. (Don’t forget how old this stuff is.) This is real GM documentation as written for the technician using GM tools and training. If you’re mechanical and competent with current automotive technology, you’ll be okay. But realize this isn’t intended for the novice. On the up side, everything that ever happened to the G6’s is here and even better, all the embedded links that take you to related topics work! It may be overkill for the casual owner who just wants to maintain his/her G6, but those personalities who crave information (and therefore overkill) will eat it up. Even though current GM documentation with its cryptic line drawings leaves me a little cold, it’s still possible to see what you need. Printing from the tool is a little fiddly and Windows has its usual quirks, but it does work. (Tip: When you end the VM session as in shutting down the computer, choose “Suspend” so it saves where you were and doesn’t have to go through as many hoops when you load it next time. If Windows won’t boot within the VM next time, choose “Last known configuration that worked” and it should go back to where you were.)
The scanner: I was really skeptical that this scanner would live up to the promises, but I was surprised. The model I bought was GM only, but there are models for other makes and even top-line models that cover all makes. It’s even updatable (through subscription) so additional years can be loaded into it. This one I bought covers GM vehicles through 2016 so that covers all G6’s and I don’t plan any other purchases and I shouldn’t have to update it.
The setup is simple and it’s quite intuitive to use. (Good thing since the user manual is back-level.) Once connected, you can choose to have it scan your vehicle for all controllers that exist or you can manually input the vehicle information from a representative list. I’ve done it both ways. It sometimes takes a few moments to connect and communicate and you might not get immediate feedback, but ultimately I was able to reach everything (and there’s a LOT.) A few times it told me that it couldn’t communicate, but backing out and trying again always got me there eventually. Patience is always advised and it’s no big deal if you want to unplug it and start over (I’ve done this too). It has all the usual functions like reading and clearing the DTC’s. But for all the proprietary GM systems and operations it really shows it usefulness. And specifically for retractable owners, it DOES communicate with the FTC (Folding Top Controller) and the information it holds regarding the current state of switches and controls is very interesting. (One item the FTC is supposed to report is the number of cycles the top has completed from day one. On my car, that count was “0” and I don’t know why. I’ll keep an eye on it to see if it changes.) Many of the controllers have special functions that are also very useful (like remote fob programming). Another example is that you can access a function through the BCM (Body Control Module) that will override the FTC and release the trunk solenoid for you without drama. (That’s very cool.)
My conclusion: For the price of each, I think they’re a hit. (And it you have other GM vehicles in your stable that fall in the date range, the scanner is useful for them too.) IMHO if you plan to keep your retractable indefinitely as a collectible as I hope to, these are two items you need.
Good luck everyone. - Mark
I’ve tried to post this information in a new thread several times and I continue to get messages that my post won’t be visible until reviewed by a moderator. That apparently hasn’t happened either, so I’m going to try and add it here as another reply to this existing thread. If I’ve offended anyone or broken any rules, I apologize in advance.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that I’d bought a documentation DVD and a scanner I hoped would allow access to the proprietary GM systems, primarily the folding top controller (FTC).
I bought one of these DVD's for the documentation:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-G6...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Unfortunately, the GM Tech2 scanner was not affordable for me. After researching and questioning the vendor, I decided to take a risk on one of these scanners:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-General...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
I’ve now had both for a while and have had time to see if they would be suitable, particularly for a retractable owner. Here’s a brief review.
The documentation DVD: I bought this first and installed it on a laptop that was capable of running it. Be advised to pay attention to the system requirements. It installs a non-commercial copy of VMWare and runs the software in a virtual instance of Windows XP. (Don’t forget how old this stuff is.) This is real GM documentation as written for the technician using GM tools and training. If you’re mechanical and competent with current automotive technology, you’ll be okay. But realize this isn’t intended for the novice. On the up side, everything that ever happened to the G6’s is here and even better, all the embedded links that take you to related topics work! It may be overkill for the casual owner who just wants to maintain his/her G6, but those personalities who crave information (and therefore overkill) will eat it up. Even though current GM documentation with its cryptic line drawings leaves me a little cold, it’s still possible to see what you need. Printing from the tool is a little fiddly and Windows has its usual quirks, but it does work. (Tip: When you end the VM session as in shutting down the computer, choose “Suspend” so it saves where you were and doesn’t have to go through as many hoops when you load it next time. If Windows won’t boot within the VM next time, choose “Last known configuration that worked” and it should go back to where you were.)
The scanner: I was really skeptical that this scanner would live up to the promises, but I was surprised. The model I bought was GM only, but there are models for other makes and even top-line models that cover all makes. It’s even updatable (through subscription) so additional years can be loaded into it. This one I bought covers GM vehicles through 2016 so that covers all G6’s and I don’t plan any other purchases and I shouldn’t have to update it.
The setup is simple and it’s quite intuitive to use. (Good thing since the user manual is back-level.) Once connected, you can choose to have it scan your vehicle for all controllers that exist or you can manually input the vehicle information from a representative list. I’ve done it both ways. It sometimes takes a few moments to connect and communicate and you might not get immediate feedback, but ultimately I was able to reach everything (and there’s a LOT.) A few times it told me that it couldn’t communicate, but backing out and trying again always got me there eventually. Patience is always advised and it’s no big deal if you want to unplug it and start over (I’ve done this too). It has all the usual functions like reading and clearing the DTC’s. But for all the proprietary GM systems and operations it really shows it usefulness. And specifically for retractable owners, it DOES communicate with the FTC (Folding Top Controller) and the information it holds regarding the current state of switches and controls is very interesting. (One item the FTC is supposed to report is the number of cycles the top has completed from day one. On my car, that count was “0” and I don’t know why. I’ll keep an eye on it to see if it changes.) Many of the controllers have special functions that are also very useful (like remote fob programming). Another example is that you can access a function through the BCM (Body Control Module) that will override the FTC and release the trunk solenoid for you without drama. (That’s very cool.)
My conclusion: For the price of each, I think they’re a hit. (And it you have other GM vehicles in your stable that fall in the date range, the scanner is useful for them too.) IMHO if you plan to keep your retractable indefinitely as a collectible as I hope to, these are two items you need.
Good luck everyone. - Mark
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Hey Mark, thanks for the links and the review. I've got an '07 HTC with the 3.9l. With 108k+ miles in getting beyond what a Haynes or Chilton provide.
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Question on scanner...
When entering vehicles in manual mode, the scanner asks for model year, make and type (passenger car, multi-purpose (SUV), truck). When I chose years in the range for your 9-7X (2001-2005 according to Wikipedia), it returned a list of available makes including SAAB and even Hummer, Holden and Opel. It then allowed me to select variations on the models based on engine and other criteria it might need to know. So I'm going to say pretty confidently that this scanner would cover all the GM based makes including your SAAB.
My apologies again for hijacking this thread. I'm still not able to post new topics without moderator review, which hasn't happened. (The G6performance forum won't even acknowledge my registration.) Thanks everyone for understanding.
Mark
I hooked the scanner to my G6 and chose manual entry to identify the vehicle. (I know that GM built various SAAB models from the late '90s through 2010.)
When entering vehicles in manual mode, the scanner asks for model year, make and type (passenger car, multi-purpose (SUV), truck). When I chose years in the range for your 9-7X (2001-2005 according to Wikipedia), it returned a list of available makes including SAAB and even Hummer, Holden and Opel. It then allowed me to select variations on the models based on engine and other criteria it might need to know. So I'm going to say pretty confidently that this scanner would cover all the GM based makes including your SAAB.
My apologies again for hijacking this thread. I'm still not able to post new topics without moderator review, which hasn't happened. (The G6performance forum won't even acknowledge my registration.) Thanks everyone for understanding.
Mark
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I have an 07 White. Having an issue that the top is not unlocking in the drivers side front location. Does anyone know if there is adjustment for this or is there a micro switch somewhere I should be checking. Thank you I am glad there is someplace we can discuss these issues.
there are a number of micro switches round the hinges and hydraulics for the reverse open of the trunk. With the age of these cars a number of owners have found frayed and broken wiring especially round the hinges in that area. Another owner has also mentioned a similar issue after replacing the gas struts that support the trunk lid when it opens normally. Not sure if the two issues are related in his case. Hope you manage to narrow it down and solve the problem
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boomer is on point, there are something like 12 micro switches and a number of latches that have to operate in a specific sequence for the top to operate. If the sequence is not met, the process usually allows a reversal from that point.
Leaks usually show up as 'wont lift' and switches/electrical are as you describe.
Wiring at the front of the decklid hinge warrants a close inspection, as it pops up as often as actual switch failure. (Anecdotal).
I had an issue once and used a co-workers SNAP-ON Tech2 clone to track down a broken wire. We checked the Folding Top Module for codes and that made it easy. The tool allows you to operate the top from the tool while viewing switch status, test individual switches, check top codes. There is a bulletin that walks you through switch locations as well. You can't do this with a code scanner at AutoZone.
For a fraction of the price, I picked this unit up. It does nearly everything a TECH2 does for less. Not as heavy duty as a pro tool, but it lets me into the electronics of the car, and has been helpful. I plan on having the car a long time, so for me it is worth it
Anyway, just throwing that out there for the people.
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Leaks usually show up as 'wont lift' and switches/electrical are as you describe.
Wiring at the front of the decklid hinge warrants a close inspection, as it pops up as often as actual switch failure. (Anecdotal).
I had an issue once and used a co-workers SNAP-ON Tech2 clone to track down a broken wire. We checked the Folding Top Module for codes and that made it easy. The tool allows you to operate the top from the tool while viewing switch status, test individual switches, check top codes. There is a bulletin that walks you through switch locations as well. You can't do this with a code scanner at AutoZone.
For a fraction of the price, I picked this unit up. It does nearly everything a TECH2 does for less. Not as heavy duty as a pro tool, but it lets me into the electronics of the car, and has been helpful. I plan on having the car a long time, so for me it is worth it
Anyway, just throwing that out there for the people.
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I bought a 07 Pontiac about a month ago. I took it to a dealership to get a key made, and they messed with the top and it broke. They said that they fixed the problem that they broke, but there were other parts that were already broke that they wouldn't fix. I now can no longer use the convertible part because the part they fixed will snap again until I get the other parts fixed. They gave me a diagram and the # of the parts that I need fixed. I guess I'm wondering as to where the best place to find used parts are, so that I can attempt to get my car fixed? I've only had it for a month, really only 3 weeks as it was at the dealership for 2 weeks getting fixed. All the parts I need are under the black thing that raises behind the back seat and goes over the top.
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Hold on a minute. You took your car into a dealer to get a key made and to fix the top or just to get a key made? Did you give them permission to work on the top? if they were not authorized to work on the top, then you know who should be fixing your car!!! THE DEALER! I would be upset! Those parts will be hard to get if you do happen to find them They will be expensive!
Good .luck (hire a lawyer and have them write a letter)
convertme!!!
Good .luck (hire a lawyer and have them write a letter)
convertme!!!
I have a loaded white 2009 G6 GT convertible 3.5 V6 @ 72,000 miles w/ 4-speed automatic, black leather interior, and polished alloy wheels.
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