im installing turbo on monday

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NySwat

Discussion Starter · Oct 3, 2009

Whatz sup guys! im getting my t4 turbo kit on monday and install but 1 problem! i need to find a tuner that can program my car to run turbo! now i see the diablo predator dosent have the tune for my car! and i heard about hptuner! so i wanted to find out can hptuner program my car for turbo????please i need help!!! i will send pictures when its done!!! thank alot

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mjgonegm

· #41 · Oct 9, 2009

Lampoon said:
Your asking for a track record and that was my point. There are only 3 who have extensive experience with the G6.

Is there a problem here? I thought we were done with this subject?

And all of the above compaines have a track record

Romeos Tune

· #42 · Oct 9, 2009

After reading a bit more this seems to be the same as what I've already had done? I had the Vector tune done. I dunno why I thought this other one was something more. I doubt it'd do me any good. Guess I'll be doing the CAI next.

Romeos Tune

· #43 · Oct 9, 2009

mj... Nah, I'll be going to Chicago soon for business so that had me thinking.

mjgonegm

· #44 · Oct 9, 2009

oh well than LOL still try tell them what you had done they might be able squeeze out more powa LOL.

They got 203HP(at the wheels) and 207Ft.lbs of torque out of my impala (same engine as the g6 but has a bit more power)

Romeos Tune

· #45 · Oct 9, 2009

That's the 3.9 you have too then sounds like. Yep, I'll see what they say in their response email.

mjgonegm

· #46 · Oct 9, 2009

Romeos Tune said:
That's the 3.9 you have too then sounds like. Yep, I'll see what they say in their response email.

No I have a 3.5.......

Stock specs 211 Hp and 216ft.lbs of torque

The car dynoed

187 H.p and 189t.lbs of torque untuned

I do have a custom made air intake installed and a down pipe back exhaust (no cat's)

jetmech_5

· #47 · Oct 9, 2009

Brassman said:
Fair enough I never really liked him any way. haha Ok so to address an issue I've had with my G6 and I wonder if any body else has this problem... my stock routers on both of my G6's 06 and 08 have needed to be turned by 22k I ended up just switchin them out the second time they started to studder. anyone else have that same issue

Yes, I had same problem. But I have had the same problems with other auto manufactures. When my rotors started to warp and cause vibrations I just swapped them out with R1 concepts premium rotors, Lampoon turned me on to them. I used Napa premium ceramic breaks. they work like a charm and I have had a few severe breaking conditions at high speeds due to deer and they never even hinted that they warped.

It seems that US auto manufactures use the cheapest rotors manufactures that they can find from China, Mexico or where ever. Even when you buy from a parts store you have to be careful. Not sure where the R1 concepts are made but they are drilled and slotted so they will run cooler.

http://www.r1concepts.com/

jetmech_5

· #48 · Oct 9, 2009

mjgonegm said:
Yeah for the amount money there charging I would go to the best, and if you used that link to find dyno shops you would have found them...

If you don't know who ams you must be living under a rock they are the small engine tuner in the Midwest, probably one of the best Evo tuners in the world.... and not only do they tune cars...They make parts for them

Yeha when i was looking at tuner i though about that palce on in Wi but umm yeah but they didn't have much of a track record.....

http://www.amsperformance.com/

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/AMS-Cadilac-CTSV_684743.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/AMS-Time-Attack-EVO-X_204768.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdtzpprK6Gw

I used a link from long time ago don't remember who posted it though. The one in WI is closer to me. I don't know any history about the place I mentioned or the one you did, I am just exploring options. All I know is what I am told by the shops. Kurgan Motors does tunes but they never performed one on a G6 or the LZ9 engine. He was not interested as he does big name racers and doesn't have time. The one I did mention said they have experience with the LZ9 platform...I agree with what Lampoon said that it's best to find some one with experience with the specific platform that one has.

All piston driven internal combustion engines basically work the same. However the parameters and efficiencies they attain and require are vastly different. Even the exact same engine will have slight differences and must be tuned accordingly. The off the shelf tunes for cars seem to be just that "off the shelf". No to say an off the shelf tune is bad as it is not but to get the optimum performance one must dyno an record performance for parameter changes. Just like getting a new high performance carb you would still have to tune it for that specific engine. If you swap it out to another with same engine it still would need to be tuned for optimum performance.

I don't have allot of time to do research as I am busy building and tuning 20,000 HP jet engines. So sorry if it seems I live under a rock.

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mjgonegm

· #49 · Oct 9, 2009 (Edited)

jetmech_5 said:
I used a link from long time ago don't remember who posted it though. The one in WI is closer to me. I don't know any history about the place I mentioned or the one you did, I am just exploring options. All I know is what I am told by the shops. Kurgan Motors does tunes but they never performed one on a G6 or the LZ9 engine. He was not interested as he does big name racers and doesn't have time. The one I did mention said they have experience with the LZ9 platform...I agree with what Lampoon said that it's best to find some one with experience with the specific platform that one has.

All piston driven internal combustion engines basically work the same. However the parameters and efficiencies they attain and require are vastly different. Even the exact same engine will have slight differences and must be tuned accordingly. The off the shelf tunes for cars seem to be just that "off the shelf". No to say an off the shelf tune is bad as it is not but to get the optimum performance one must dyno an record performance for parameter changes. Just like getting a new high performance carb you would still have to tune it for that specific engine. If you swap it out to another with same engine it still would need to be tuned for optimum performance.

I don't have allot of time to do research as I am busy building and tuning 20,000 HP jet engines. So sorry if it seems I live under a rock.

That in a nut shell is what i was try ing to say.
And how is Madison WI closer than Arlington HeightsIL? I live up here with you just more east I'm about 25 min's from the border 35-40 mins from Arlington Heights and even if you live on the border ams is closer.

There is this one shop in Milwaukee too, i can't rember the name of the shop but i had a few friends in WI say they were good

jetmech_5

· #50 · Oct 9, 2009

6 of one half dozen of the other. I hate Driving towards Chicago...it sucks.

Thanks for the info I will check them out

GTPprix

· #51 · Oct 9, 2009

jetmech_5 said:
I agree with what Lampoon said that it's best to find some one with experience with the specific platform that one has.

This is true, I bet my canned tunes make more power than 90% of the dyno tunes you'll find being recommended here I mean hennessy seriously?! The guy has more lawsuits than he does customers now hes a crook LOL

Plus quite a few of the G6's controllers arent even supported by any commercial tuning software to boot.

Romeos Tune

· #52 · Oct 9, 2009

Hey Chris, How would you rate the Vector? I didn't know about yours until getting on here. Already had gotten the Vector.

NySwat

Discussion Starter · #53 · Oct 9, 2009

Update

Sorry for the delay guys! well i got a problem right now! i have to find the fuel pump and fuel injectors for the car! the mechinc says!and he have to do some study on how to tune my car!! he says the only people that ever did a pontiac g6 and it was a 2.4l pontiac g6 was sts turbo!!!! so now i gotta get a performace fuel pump and injectors! after that im all set!! here is the website i was looking at for the fuel and injectors!

http://www.sx-performance.com

im going to give them a call and ask them about this fuel pump and will it work in the pontiac g6 3.5liter engine..Honestly alot of people say its hard to find parts cause these cars isnt on demand! but i got the custom pistons and rods and valve body and on from here! cost me about $2,500 and is install and cost me 1,500 to rebuild the moter!

http://www.importperformanceparts.net::they make custom for our cars yay!!! so fat my engine cause handle up to 25 pounds of boost! my car is at the shop getting the level 10 transmission!!! which can handle up to 60 psi for 2800, plus 400 to remove and install!!! so its ocming along great!! go to the websites and do some work!!! cause all the people that say they install turbo its impossible to do that and they didnt even work on the engine and tranny! and cutting the firewall of the engine bay and making more room!

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jamestg6gt07

· #54 · Oct 9, 2009

Is it me or is this guy actually going to turbo his car? The first die hard G6er to add a blower successfully?? Im anxious! Tell your mechanic to hurry the hell up lol!

DONT FORGET TO POST PICS OF YOUR PROGRESS! (I wanna see that motor in pieces!)

Also, even if you have to drive a 1,000 miles to tune your car do it!!!!!!!

And dont forget to show us the dyno lol.

Droptop Diamond

· #55 · Oct 9, 2009

NySwat said:
and cutting the firewall of the engine bay and making more room!

Sounds like one HOT ride

solidhadriel

· #56 · Oct 9, 2009

jamestg6gt07 said:
Is it me or is this guy actually going to turbo his car? The first die hard G6er to add a blower successfully?? Im anxious! Tell your mechanic to hurry the hell up lol!

DONT FORGET TO POST PICS OF YOUR PROGRESS! (I wanna see that motor in pieces!)

Also, even if you have to drive a 1,000 miles to tune your car do it!!!!!!!

And dont forget to show us the dyno lol.

Pardon my lack of knowledge on the topic, but WTH is a "level 10" transmission? Is that a term that they don't use in the import world, or am I just really not that familiar with trannys?

And I doubt it. This guy can't even spell "motor" correctly. How the hell is he financing this project? Did he have relatives die and he inherited their money? I don't think working at Burger King pays well enough to drop this kind of money...

So he rebuilt his "moter" - wait, why would you rebuild your motor? You need to insure that your car will start up? If you were rebuilding an engine, and if you were actually turboing your car, then yes - you'd need larger fuel injectors along with a ton of other stuff. Compression??

mjgonegm

· #57 · Oct 9, 2009

solidhadriel said:
Pardon my lack of knowledge on the topic, but WTH is a "level 10" transmission? Is that a term that they don't use in the import world, or am I just really not that familiar with trannys?

And I doubt it. This guy can't even spell "motor" correctly. How the hell is he financing this project? Did he have relatives die and he inherited their money? I don't think working at Burger King pays well enough to drop this kind of money...

So he rebuilt his "moter" - wait, why would you rebuild your motor? You need to insure that your car will start up? If you were rebuilding an engine, and if you were actually turboing your car, then yes - you'd need larger fuel injectors along with a ton of other stuff. Compression??

Yeah I'm seeing ghosts again

I want to get my hands on the heads/the whole damn top end form a 2010 v6 camaro I bet it would fit too....

Thats a good point do you leave the compression alone or drop it? i mean it's 8.7:1 or something like that.

As far as the trans, the amount he Say's 2900$ is about right thats making it bullet proof handle up wards of 600hp.... i have never heard the term (lvl ten tranie either welll ihave but in vidaya gamezzz)

jetmech_5

· #58 · Oct 9, 2009

If one is using forced induction the compression would have to be dropped to get the best performance and to be safe and streetable. A tune would compensate via timing with forced induction and higher compression so one could get away with it but not run high boost.

3.6L is 10.2:1

3.5L is 9.8:1

3.9L is 9.8:1

If one does run a high boost and a higher compression, bad things can happen. Blown head gaskets, cracked pistons, bent rods, blown rings, warped/cracked head...ect

I was looking into getting a turbo but I don't think that its worth the money to invest in it and the headache that goes along with it. Someone said that there is not allot of demand for hot rod stuff for the G6 and this is true. For the most part people are fabricating stuff themselves and or selling it on mediums like this forum. So...I am just doing the basic stuff, CAI, I like the stock rims but I am looking, Looking for a tune and I have a custom true duel exhaust. Was thinking about buying a second 3.9L and rebuilding it, porting the heads different rocker ratios and heavy springs, gasket matching, lighten and balance the rotating assembly, lighten and balance fly wheel, fluid damper, better injectors..ect All this stuff is easy to do and smart when rebuilding. May be able to get a few extra HP and torque but the main thing is the fact that the HP and torque curve will be at higher RPM. with a 3.90 inch stroke and 3.31 bore ( which would be bigger if rebuilt) This engine should take some serious RPM. But this is all a dream...don't have the time to mess with it. Don't really trust having some one do it for me unless I am involved and I am not going to pay some flash race engine builder $15k to do it.

At the end of the day it comes down to this. If I really wanted to make a monster, I would buy a V8 car or a big V6 whereby there is allot of aftermarket stuff for.

As for my G6, It's an 06 GTP coupe with 3.9L HO and manual tranny. Very few of those cars were made. Pontiac is no longer, who knows what it will be worth in 20 years. I like it, chick dig it so I'll keep it.

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mjgonegm

· #59 · Oct 9, 2009

Port the heads....... and get a Custom Ground cam.... I would rather have a monster lil Na motor than anything else. Knife edge the crank... I mean there tons of things you can to that motor that I can see justified price wise raise the compression...etc errr I'm going to school for this I'm so close to snatching my motor out LOL

NySwat

Discussion Starter · #60 · Oct 10, 2009 (Edited)

Ok a level 10 transmission is a performace transmission they gut out your tranny adn replace adn rework the valve body,gears,clutches, and etc a complete overhual!!!! they are shipping tranny to new jersery! here is thier website! http://www.importperformancetrans.com/chryslerautofwd.shtml

Now for the guy name solidhadriel ! just cause i spell motor wrong dont meant dont meant i work at burger king! and no my family isnt rich! dr i wish! but im a computer programmer and computer tech! i own 3 stores! in brooklyn, name crazy pc repairs! look it up, we are well known! now back to the g6 lol

go to the website and read about it! thier are the only ones that can rework our trannys!!!!

And yes i have to rebuild my moter to install my pistons,connection rods,camshaft,engine gears, and power seal kit to my car!! please not i just want my car to do 20 pounds of boost! thatz all that will give my car 400 hp!!! ok and yes im going to get a stronger axel for my drivetrain!

P.s solidhadriel your not familiar with tranny!

Pictures coming doon!!!

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