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I'm purely aware of that, I've just read several threads simply stating "my tires spin off the line and they must be crap" or the like, and while I agree both the LS2s and Continentals, and just about any other OEM tire sucks, that even the best will spin off the line in a FWD car with this power in the wet, period. How much they spin, and how quickly they eventually hookup will differentiate the good ones from the bad ones.otcpharm said:
I also beg to differ in the amount of torque available down low. While this is not a discussion about this, but about tires, the 3.5 and 3.9 both put 85% - 90% of their peek torque down slightly above 1000 rpm. The car's weight can mask this feeling and subsequently cause even more tire spin in an effort to move the heavier vehicle.
And let's not bring WOT into this, because the difference in tq-power between partial tip-in to full tip-in is minimal.
All I'm saying is that the heavy G6 will be more difficult to move initially. And even at 1/2 throttle, your torque figure is still substantially high, high enough to break free if a friction inhibitor, like water, is present given the weight of the vehicle. How quickly the tire evacuates the water and bites to finally create movement would indicate how good of a tire it is, but it's still going to spin no matter how good it is, I guarantee it.S8ER99 said:I will have to take your word for that..
I don't have any hard core either, but general rule of thumb is 1/4 = 60%, 1/2 = 75%, 3/4 = 90%...Though every car is different to some extent. I've had a couple cars that were easily 99%+ at 3/4, with only transmission changes/adjustments occuring at WOT (quicker kickdown) etc. My 04 goat would run within .5 sec (I should say less than .5 sec) of my WOT quarter mile times with the gas pedal blocked to approx. 3/4 throttle (long story, it was a bet...kinda like a "one hand tied behind my back" thing...)S8ER99 said:haha..sorry wasn't disputing everything you said... I was just refering to the last part.. I dont have any hard data to show what the percentage difference is WOT vs partial throttle so I was merely saying I will have to take your word for it.
[hijack]S8ER99 said:The 04 Goat also had a traditional Throttle linkage.
Yes, DBW sucks. The 05 GTO has it, and it's plagued with slow response and failures (and parts availability problems from AU). DBW needed a little more work before they put it into performance cars...
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Why? Because I got two PMs within 1 hour of each other (one here and one at ls1gto.com) from people with the potenzas asking my advice as to whether they should replace their tires and if they were any good because they "spun off the line in wet weather".otcpharm said:
So it's apparently NOT blatantly obvious to everyone...
I get PMs on LS!GTO all the time from people who have 3-4 posts at most, but have been registered for 6 months. I guess they just PM people and never post. The questions typically are questions that might get flamed, so I can understand some of the motivation.otcpharm said:
I know alot of people that have been owners of "less-than-particularly-powerful" cars that may have moved up to their first "over 100 lbs/ft tq to-the-ground engine" and are surprised by the low-end tq.
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I think I made out about half the above.Also, the bolt pattern has NOTHING to do with what tires will fit on the car, and there's no special winter tire because of the bolt pattern.
Additionally, any of the wheels will hold up well in the winter as long as you keep them clean.
And what are medium grade bridges, and how do they save my wheels? lol.
Well, maybe it's some lingo from canada, but I was "in the business" and to some extent still am, and never heard bridgestones called 'bridges' and also never defined a level of tire as 'mid grade' - there's mid-grade gas, yes...So perhaps it would have been better to write it in layman's terms for people who "aren't in the business" as probably most who read this aren't.Smiles said:
Also, I guess you could say that the bolt pattern reduces the amount of selection of winter wheels you can find, and subsequently limits the tire sizes that appropriately fit on those wheels, which subsequently limits the tire selection for winter. But just saying "Your G6 GTP and others require a special type of winter tire because of the bolt pattern" makes no sense. A special type of tire? because of bolt pattern? what "type" of tire would that be? Mid-grade
? Again, makes no sense as originally posted.Additionally, you posted that GM didn't design our wheels for winter use - Last time I checked, GM engineers were in DETROIT, and are quite familiar with winter, which is why each wheel is painted (except for the polished 18" GTP wheel) or chromed. Yes, it would be great to hop out and pick up an extra set of wheels and tires for winter, but not everyone is willing to do that, it may not be worth it to them, saving the stock wheels like that.
The problem with your first post, for the most part, was the lack of clarification - the supposed "in the business" speak. Next time take the time to speak in layman's terms with clarification.
Smiles, whose resorting to insults now? Not once did I directly insult you with such items as the bolded areas above. I simply was pointing out inaccuracies in your first post, which still stand. I never attacked you personally, only your posts.Smiles said:
In the first post you said they would need a special TYPE of tire. There's not special TYPE of tire needed. There "may" be a special size of tire needed (read below though), but certainly not a special TYPE of winter tire.
Secondly, regardless of what the bolt pattern is, it does not limit the winter tire selection. The problem is finding the WHEELS, once the WHEELS are found, there are PLENTY of tires in the sizes needed. Wheels are only 16" or 17", or 18", etc. There are TONS of tires for 16" and 17" wheels, and plenty for 18". The bolt pattern of the wheel means nothing as to what tires will then mount on them - only wheel diameter and wheel width matter. So to say that the bolt pattern limits the TYPE, SIZE, or AVAILABILITY of tires is not true. If you find 16" wheels, then you can put 16" tires on it (225/60R16 or 215/65R16 for GTP, which are two of the most POPULAR tire sizes around), of any kind you want. If you can find 17" wheels, then you can put 17" tires on it, etc. So the bolt pattern limits the wheels you can find, NOT the tires.
Mid grade, well to each his own. I'm sure you can call anything product-wise as mid grade or low grade or high grade, but since tires have specific purposes, mid grade doesn't describe the ability or performance of a tire. What is a "mid grade" tire? Good wear? Good wet performance? Good dry performance? H speed rated? The term "mid-grade" does not impart any information as to what the tire actually is. Now making a comment like a good "mid-grade" touring tire, or good "mid-grade" passenger tire, or good "mid-grade" performance tire, well, that gives a little more information, but the information it gives is mostly imparted by the tire's use-descriptor, and not the "mid-grade" part, since one person's "mid-grade" may be another person's low grade.
So you can continue to make personal insults, that is fine. But your initial post didn't make sense and was inaccurate, which to someone with limited knowledge, it helps little. I can just see someone walking into the local Goodyear and saying "I read on the internet that my bolt pattern is weird, so do you have the special type of winter tire I need?" - The guy behind the counter would be like "what???" and then that person would say "well I need some mid-grade tires" and the guy behind the counter would be like..."Well, what kind of tire do you need, winter or all-season or performance, or do you want one with long treadlife or one with good dry performance? Mid-grade doesn't tell me much at all..."
[hijack]Robyn P said:"Real men wear Pink? No - real men (and women) wear camoflage, sleep in ditches dug in the sand, eat MREs, and carry US issued weapons..."
Miscreant,
Are you in the military? You seem to have military approach when typing. Not meaning it in a bad way, you seem just very stern in your typing. You also seem to know a whole lot more than the rest of us, which is not a bad thing, considering if I went in to buy tires I would have no clue what I needed, other than tires.
Yes, previous service. 3rd Combat Comm, USAF, and 179th Airlift Wing, OHANG.
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I'm not trying to rip you, I'm only pointing out inaccuracies.Smiles said:
So you can only purchase tires or wheels at a GM dealership in the forest city? Again, I'm not sure what you are complaining about, the wheels or the tires? If you can purchase a 16" wheel (which I believe we have determined will not fit on the GT/GTP), then you can purchase any 16" tire. Any Bridgestone, Michelin, Kuhmo, Nitto, Pirelli, Goodyear, etc will fit on a 16" wheel. Now if you are saying the wheels are special, then yes, the 5x110mm bolt pattern does limit wheels, but you said special "tires" not special wheels...
Now if for some reason you don't have any tire stores in forest city other than a GM dealership, then that's fine, but that's not the way it is in the US or most places - heck, you have the internet, so you don't even need anyone around you except a road for UPS to drive up to your house and drop stuff off to.
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