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No... you are not speaking clearly enough. We understand these are not 360 Triple A Z rated tires .. not a problem. Mid grade? Sure...

The tire itself will fit on any 16 inch rim provided its for a 16 inch tire ..regardless of bolt pattern.
 

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We can debate about this for hours miscreant, but unfortunately I dont have the time! If you can't understand what I am saying thats to bad cause you missing out. Esspecially if you dont understand what med. grade tires are....if you were in the business at all you WOULD know what that is! Also having limited selection of tires because of bolt patterns means you will have to buy only a certain wheel because there arent many available meaning they will be a special purchase! Therefore that is what I meant by a special winter tire! Good enough clarification?? Or should I elaborate more? Or maybe use only one syllables word for you? If that makes it easier I can.......I know you can make out what I have said in my first post now that youve proally read it a few times and things are starting to make sense.....try using the old brain its there for a reason or maybe research what I am talking about insteading of trying to put me down! Its not apprecaited at all......is that how you get a boost in self esteem? put ppl down? try to make the new guy to the forum look bad?

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Smiles, whose resorting to insults now? Not once did I directly insult you with such items as the bolded areas above. I simply was pointing out inaccuracies in your first post, which still stand. I never attacked you personally, only your posts.

In the first post you said they would need a special TYPE of tire. There's not special TYPE of tire needed. There "may" be a special size of tire needed (read below though), but certainly not a special TYPE of winter tire.

Secondly, regardless of what the bolt pattern is, it does not limit the winter tire selection. The problem is finding the WHEELS, once the WHEELS are found, there are PLENTY of tires in the sizes needed. Wheels are only 16" or 17", or 18", etc. There are TONS of tires for 16" and 17" wheels, and plenty for 18". The bolt pattern of the wheel means nothing as to what tires will then mount on them - only wheel diameter and wheel width matter. So to say that the bolt pattern limits the TYPE, SIZE, or AVAILABILITY of tires is not true. If you find 16" wheels, then you can put 16" tires on it (225/60R16 or 215/65R16 for GTP, which are two of the most POPULAR tire sizes around), of any kind you want. If you can find 17" wheels, then you can put 17" tires on it, etc. So the bolt pattern limits the wheels you can find, NOT the tires.

Mid grade, well to each his own. I'm sure you can call anything product-wise as mid grade or low grade or high grade, but since tires have specific purposes, mid grade doesn't describe the ability or performance of a tire. What is a "mid grade" tire? Good wear? Good wet performance? Good dry performance? H speed rated? The term "mid-grade" does not impart any information as to what the tire actually is. Now making a comment like a good "mid-grade" touring tire, or good "mid-grade" passenger tire, or good "mid-grade" performance tire, well, that gives a little more information, but the information it gives is mostly imparted by the tire's use-descriptor, and not the "mid-grade" part, since one person's "mid-grade" may be another person's low grade.

So you can continue to make personal insults, that is fine. But your initial post didn't make sense and was inaccurate, which to someone with limited knowledge, it helps little. I can just see someone walking into the local Goodyear and saying "I read on the internet that my bolt pattern is weird, so do you have the special type of winter tire I need?" - The guy behind the counter would be like "what???" and then that person would say "well I need some mid-grade tires" and the guy behind the counter would be like..."Well, what kind of tire do you need, winter or all-season or performance, or do you want one with long treadlife or one with good dry performance? Mid-grade doesn't tell me much at all..."
 

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No... you are not speaking clearly enough. We understand these are not 360 Triple A Z rated tires .. not a problem. Mid grade? Sure...

The tire itself will fit on any 16 inch rim provided its for a 16 inch tire ..regardless of bolt pattern.
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"Real men wear Pink? No - real men (and women) wear camoflage, sleep in ditches dug in the sand, eat MREs, and carry US issued weapons..."

Miscreant,
Are you in the military? You seem to have military approach when typing. Not meaning it in a bad way, you seem just very stern in your typing. You also seem to know a whole lot more than the rest of us, which is not a bad thing, considering if I went in to buy tires I would have no clue what I needed, other than tires. :p Always remember different people take things different ways, what may not offend you or me, may offend someone else. :)
 

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"Real men wear Pink? No - real men (and women) wear camoflage, sleep in ditches dug in the sand, eat MREs, and carry US issued weapons..."

Miscreant,
Are you in the military? You seem to have military approach when typing. Not meaning it in a bad way, you seem just very stern in your typing. You also seem to know a whole lot more than the rest of us, which is not a bad thing, considering if I went in to buy tires I would have no clue what I needed, other than tires. :p Always remember different people take things different ways, what may not offend you or me, may offend someone else. :)
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My tires must be bad on my Grand Am. They are goodyear 14X32 and sometimes they will spin on a poorly prepped race track under full throttle, let alone the rain.
haha.. gee...wonder why. I am willing to bet you don't go cruising in the rain much ;)
 

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I am trying to be friendly here, but my first post got ripped apart! Torn into little pieces! And what did I do....nothing but try and help! Now I am tied up in this arguement that I dont want to be in about not clarifing what I meant! Geezzz, when no one but miscreant commented on my post because he couldnt understand it.....I would have just appreciated a PM instead of ripping it up infront of everyone....if you have any questions about my lingo a PM is just a click away.....if you have any questions on where I get a my information on wheels a PM is just a click away and I can reference it all......and I am sure I can learn just as much from you guys as you can from me.....lastly I admit the posts are vague, but I thought everyone here being car guys/girls you may understand.......

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Special meaning limited availablility....I know a 16" is a 16"......a bolt pattern is a bolt pattern....its just limited selection here in the forest city (this is a fact...meaning you can only purchase them in specific locations e.g. a gm dealership) I think thats pretty specail....
 

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I have 18 inch eagle LS tires on my GTP and find they don't have as much traction in snow as I would like. Anybody that has already switched to snow tires and steel rims that could post the info on what they bought would be appreciated. On the weekend I tried to climb a small snow covered hill (5 inches of snow) to get out of a driveway and for a while I thought I might not make it as the car started to slide sideways on the front end. I realize that the rims will not be 18 inch rims.
 

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Special meaning limited availablility....I know a 16" is a 16"......a bolt pattern is a bolt pattern....its just limited selection here in the forest city (this is a fact...meaning you can only purchase them in specific locations e.g. a gm dealership) I think thats pretty specail....
I'm not trying to rip you, I'm only pointing out inaccuracies.

So you can only purchase tires or wheels at a GM dealership in the forest city? Again, I'm not sure what you are complaining about, the wheels or the tires? If you can purchase a 16" wheel (which I believe we have determined will not fit on the GT/GTP), then you can purchase any 16" tire. Any Bridgestone, Michelin, Kuhmo, Nitto, Pirelli, Goodyear, etc will fit on a 16" wheel. Now if you are saying the wheels are special, then yes, the 5x110mm bolt pattern does limit wheels, but you said special "tires" not special wheels...

Now if for some reason you don't have any tire stores in forest city other than a GM dealership, then that's fine, but that's not the way it is in the US or most places - heck, you have the internet, so you don't even need anyone around you except a road for UPS to drive up to your house and drop stuff off to.
 

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I have 18 inch eagle LS tires on my GTP and find they don't have as much traction in snow as I would like. Anybody that has already switched to snow tires and steel rims that could post the info on what they bought would be appreciated. On the weekend I tried to climb a small snow covered hill (5 inches of snow) to get out of a driveway and for a while I thought I might not make it as the car started to slide sideways on the front end. I realize that the rims will not be 18 inch rims.
You'll need 17" wheels at minimum from what we have determined so far.

Tirerack has some 17" wheels for under $100 each, and you can have some 17" Winterforce snows (225/55R17 @ $79) mounted on them for winter.
 

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Power Curve

Hi all,

I was just reading some postings about peak torque. The torque band on GM engines is pretty flat and it does hit within 90% of peak at low RPM's. There's a great resource to find out about GM Powertrain stuff and the website is www.gmpowertrain.com.

Click on a GM engine or transmission brand (IE Ecotec), then "Product Information", Car Engines and Transmissions and it will give you a list of all GM brands and the applicable GM Powertrain applications. You can get pictures, power plots, technical specifications and model-year specific changes to each engine and transmission that GM makes. Pictures are generally specific to each vehicle application as well.

Link to 3.5L Power Plot:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/HPT Library/HVV6/2006_35L_LX9_2DrNB.pdf

Link to 3.9L Power Plot:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/HPT Library/HVV6/2006_39L_LZ9_G6_2DrNB.pdf

Link to 2.4L Power Plot:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/e...Library/Ecotec/2006_Ecotec_LE5_Pontiac_G6.pdf
 

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Yes but those curves are crank numbers from the engine. Another words in the real world once TM, throttle by wire, and the slushbox get done doing their job that dyno chart would look a little different. ;)
 

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My car came with the 'W' rated Bridgestone Potenza RE050A's. If you put the power down hard, they will slip a liittle on a wet surface. The 3.9L has gobs of low end torque and I found it has a good amount near the top end also. I will leave these tires on for the winter. Hopefully, this Winter won't be so bad. :)
 

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I will leave these tires on for the winter.
You're very brave. The RE050As absolutely suck in winter. It will be like driving on slicks, just FYI.
 

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My car came with the 'W' rated Bridgestone Potenza RE050A's. If you put the power down hard, they will slip a liittle on a wet surface. The 3.9L has gobs of low end torque and I found it has a good amount near the top end also. I will leave these tires on for the winter. Hopefully, this Winter won't be so bad. :)
You don't have to worry about 'top end' power until you can bark 2nd~3rd gear in an automatic at 79mph. haha.. (obviously if anyone out there is making more than 400hp you know what I am talking)
 
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